Will there be Windows Xp Mode in Windows 8.1?
I am BSing here sorry if you feel offended and yes I am a driver with 20 people working, howvever I feel the post has some BS in his story
 Here is why, most companies lets say, CIBC for example which still uses xp. There is lots of work to  be done to upgrade all systems. Its  not the OS they worry about, its the cost to upgrade all the computers and the downtime for the customers. However lets say queens university they use windows 7 and are starting to switch their systems to 8. I have windows xp, 7, 8. I run almost every thing in my system now as xp does.

Many companies buy computers and than downgrade them to windows XP.

We bought about 1000 Vista laptops and downgrade to Windows XP a few years ago. They were cheap laptops since Windows 7 came out and no one want to get the Vista any more so we got a good price for them.



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August 2nd, 2013 8:21am

Hi, there will be no support for Windows xp in 2
August 2nd, 2013 8:23am

Company has 100,000 employees that used 30 main programs that do not run in Windows 8.1 Have test about half so far and all have failled to run in Windows 8.1. Have tried most work arounds and none are working.

In Windows 7, there was a Windows Xp mode.

Will there be Windows Xp Mode in Windows 8.1?

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August 2nd, 2013 11:15am

Q.  Will there be Windows XP Mode in Windows 8.1?

A.  No.  Please see: Using Windows 8 Client Hyper-V

August 2nd, 2013 11:56am

I don't believe you, My company has 300,000 using windows 8 and all the programs used in xp work in 8. We tested them and they all work
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August 2nd, 2013 1:44pm

I am BSing here sorry if you feel offended and yes I am a driver with 20 people working, howvever I feel the post has some BS in his story
 Here is why, most companies lets say, CIBC for example which still uses xp. There is lots of work to  be done to upgrade all systems. Its  not the OS they worry about, its the cost to upgrade all the computers and the downtime for the customers. However lets say queens university they use windows 7 and are starting to switch their systems to 8. I have windows xp, 7, 8. I run almost every thing in my system now as xp does.
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August 3rd, 2013 5:29am

Hi, there will be no support for Windows xp in 2014, so...
August 3rd, 2013 6:29am

Hi,

No, Windows XP Mode does not support Windows 8. You need to install Windows XP in Hyper-V.

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August 5th, 2013 1:00am

Hi,

No, Windows XP Mode does not support Windows 8. You need to install Windows XP in Hype

August 5th, 2013 7:30am

Technically you can make XP mode work in Windows 8, and there are several well-documented articles on the web on how to do so. (for example http://lifehacker.com/5965889/how-to-run-windows-xp-for-free-in-windows-8)

However please bear in mind, that it's not an official, supported solution, so consider that if you plan on deploying this to all machines and not just for a limited test.

Best Regards,

Henrik Hejlesen

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August 5th, 2013 8:04am

Technically you can make XP mode work in Windows 8, and there are several well-documented articles on the web on how to do so. (for example http://lifehacker.com/5965889/how-to-run-windows-xp-for-free-in-windows-8)

However please bear in mind, that it's not an official, supported solution, so consider that if you plan on deploying this to all machines and not just for a limited test.

Best Regards,

Henrik Hejlesen

Thanks. I will look into this.

I was hoping that there would be an official solution but it seems MS does not want to listen to customers again. Will have to go the unoffical way it seems if it will work.

August 5th, 2013 8:08am

You can also use Unity feature with VMware Player to get the same functionality as Windows XP Mode in Windows 8/8.1: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

Of course, you will have to install a fresh copy of Windows XP.

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August 5th, 2013 10:18am

You can also use Unity feature with VMware Player to get the same functionality as Windows XP Mode in Windows 8/8.1: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

Of course, you will have to install a fresh copy of Windows XP.

August 6th, 2013 8:10am

What programs do you find to be incompatible?

I'm not being critical; I'd just like to expand my knowledge of Windows 8.

Are you experiencing permissions issues?  And if so, are you aware that you can reconfigure Windows 8 to completely disable UAC, so that administrator accounts act like Administrators 100% of the time.

   

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August 6th, 2013 11:36am

What programs do you find to be incompatible?

I'm not being critical; I'd just like to expand my knowledge of Windows 8.

Are you experiencing permissions issues?  And if so, are you aware that you can reconfigure Windows 8 to completely disable UAC, so that administrator accounts act like Administrators 100% of the time.

   

August 6th, 2013 12:00pm

Another option could also be looking into a new developer building out a solution for the DOS program that would work in more platforms, may even work out to be less money down the road for licensing. 

Many benefits await with Windows 8.  I have been using and testing for some time and have found not one application that doesn't work.  If it worked in Windows 7 it works in Windows 8 for us.  for the financial programs I am surprised that they wouldn't be more transferable.  Are they using something on the backend that could be transferred and maybe then make them more portable?

Have you tried these same applications in Windows 7?

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August 6th, 2013 12:31pm

You should look into App-V. 
August 6th, 2013 12:40pm

Another option could also be looking into a new developer building out a solution for the DOS program that would work in more platforms, may even work out to be less money down the road for licensing. 

Many benefits await with Windows 8.  I have been using and testing for some time and have found not one application that doesn't work.  If it worked in Windows 7 it works in Windows 8 for us.  for the financial programs I am surprised that they wouldn't be more transferable.  Are they using something on the backend that could be transferred and maybe then make them more portable?

Have you tried these same applications in Windows 7?

Already look into this option. There are no other developers that have these programs which are required.

Yes, tried them in Windows 7 and some work and some do not.

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August 7th, 2013 7:56am

You should look into App-V. 

Ok. Will take a look into it.
August 7th, 2013 7:56am

You should look into App-V. 

Is there an step missed. It seems to have problem running it.
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August 8th, 2013 8:35am

Can I ask a favor of the MSFT MVP and others?  When you provide an answer, can you be a little more human and at least give the OP a good reason as to why something is x or y or z?

Just stating "Hi, No . . ." seems very cold and condescending.  How about some like:

"XP Mode is deprecated for Windows 8 in support of the client-side version of Windows Hyper-V.  If you like, you can easily install any previous, licensed version of Windows--including XP--in Hyper-V for backwards compatibility.  We understand this may be a slight inconvenience to some, but we also believe that you will come to enjoy the added benefits of Hyper-V.  See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh857623.aspx for more details.  I hope this answered your question and alleviated your concerns."


August 8th, 2013 8:47pm

Can I ask a favor of the MSFT MVP and others?  When you provide an answer, can you be a little more human and at least give the OP a good reason as to why something is x or y or z?

Just stating "Hi, No . . ." seems very cold and condescending.  How about some like:

"XP Mode is deprecated for Windows 8 in support of the client-side version of Windows Hyper-V.  If you like, you can easily install any previous, licensed version of Windows--including XP--in Hyper-V for backwards compatibility.  We understand this may be a slight inconvenience to some, but we also believe that you will come to enjoy the added benefits of Hyper-V.  See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh857623.aspx for more details.  I hope this answered your question and alleviated your concerns."



This is a better answer.
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August 9th, 2013 7:30am

Then you are in a minority.  Don't get me wrong, I have and use Windows 8/8.1 daily on my personal and work laptop computers.  One of my servers is currently running Windows Server 2012.  However, where I work (Gov't) there is a large number of applications (Program of Record) that will not work with either Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Contact the manufacture you say?  That sounds nice, but unless someone wants to pony up $$$$$$ to the large, well-known contractors this is not going to happen.  As of now, we have several "exceptions" in place for us to continue with XP even when MSFT support is discontinued.  Solution: wait for the manufacture to provide an updated application.

GCCS is a perfect example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Command_and_Control_System.

August 9th, 2013 10:03pm

Then you are in a minority.  Don't get me wrong, I have and use Windows 8/8.1 daily on my personal and work laptop computers.  One of my servers is currently running Windows Server 2012.  However, where I work (Gov't) there is a large number of applications (Program of Record) that will not work with either Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Contact the manufacture you say?  That sounds nice, but unless someone wants to pony up $$$$$$ to the large, well-known contractors this is not going to happen.  As of now, we have several "exceptions" in place for us to continue with XP even when MSFT support is discontinued.  Solution: wait for the manufacture to provide an updated application.

GCCS is a perfect example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Command_and_Control_System.

Agree. There are many programs that do not work in Windows 7 or 8.

Windows XP seems to be the only solution for this.

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August 12th, 2013 7:36am

this only happens because the developers of the tools haven't coded the tools correctly to run with standard user rights.
August 12th, 2013 3:35pm

this only happens because the developers of the tools haven't coded the tools correctly to run with standard user ri
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August 13th, 2013 1:57pm

Any new suggestions?
August 19th, 2013 7:35am

You haven't said whether you're willing to grant users Administrators group privileges and run Windows 7 or 8 with UAC off.  If it's that or running XP it's not like you're losing a major security feature!  Honestly, once you understand what UAC does (and doesn't do) it's not like you're losing a major security feature by ANY measure.

My books outline some basic security measures that provide FAR more protection than UAC could ever dream of providing...

Examples:

  • Install a hosts file that sinks parasite web sites to localhost, effectively blocking them.  This effectively thwarts ads, which are responsible for the delivery of the most malware.

  • Set IE to not run ActiveX or other active content save for scripting from Internet Zone sites by default.

  • Run a GOOD quality anti-malware solution.  Not all of them are created equal.  It's possible Microsoft's (with Windows 8) is fairly good, but I'm not sure I'd want to be using the one most likely targeted for subversion by malware.

There are other things you can do as well, including teaching your people not to install and run just everything they can get their hands on.  Just Say No to toolbars and registry cleaners!  Teaching people responsible computing (opposed to trying to protect them from themselves by locking everything down) can be very effective.

   

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August 20th, 2013 8:28pm

You haven't said whether you're willing to grant users Administrators group privileges and run Windows 7 or 8 with UAC off.  If it's that or running XP it's not like you're losing a major security feature!  Honestly, once you understand what UAC does (and doesn't do) it's not like you're losing a major security feature by ANY measure.

My books outline some basic security measures that provide FAR more protection than UAC could ever dream of providing...

Examples:

  • Install a hosts file that sinks parasite web sites to localhost, effectively blocking them.  This effectively thwarts ads, which are responsible for the delivery of the most malware.

  • Set IE to not run ActiveX or other active content save for scripting from Internet Zone sites by default.

  • Run a GOOD quality anti-malware solution.  Not all of them are created equal.  It's possible Microsoft's (with Windows 8) is fairly good, but I'm not sure I'd want to be using the one most likely targeted for subversion by malware.

There are other things you can do as well, including teaching your people not to install and run just everything they can get their hands on.  Just Say No to toolbars and registry cleaners!  Teaching people responsible computing (opposed to trying to protect them from themselves by locking everything down) can be very effective.

   

August 21st, 2013 8:36am

Your description "do not work" is too simplistic.  Perhaps we can get into specifics?

I still run many command line applications from yesteryear.  Yesterdecades.

An x64 OS won't run 16 bit DOS applications, but beyond that I've not had a lot of problems.

Can you describe exactly what's not working, and what errors it's emitting?

 

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August 21st, 2013 12:27pm

Many of the dos programs do not work.

Another quirk due to running W8 Enterprise?   <eg>

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/windows-8/enterprise-edition.aspx

No MDOP there?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/mdop/default.aspx

Maybe it will work in Compatibility mode?  <eg>

 

Oops.  I took a second look.   There is a link there!

http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/06/26/ue-v-app-v-betas-for-windows-8-1-now-available.aspx

<quote>

 beta availability of two Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack products that will support the Windows 8.1 preview, User Experience Virtualization (UE-V) 2.0 and Application Virtualization (App-V) 5.0 SP2

</quote>

So, looks like the idea is not to provide compatibility any more but remote virtualization?

<quote>

Microsoft Application Virtualization (App-V) provides the administrative capability to make applications available to end user computers without installing the applications directly on those computers.

</quote>

Then, you can be on the "bleading edge" and make sure that your DOS programs "work fine" with (not in) W8.1 too.

 

Good luck

 

August 21st, 2013 2:50pm

Your description "do not work" is too simplistic.  Perhaps we can get into specifics?

I still run many command line applications from yesteryear.  Yesterdecades.

An x64 OS won't run 16 bit DOS applications, but beyond that I've not had a lot of problems.

Can you describe exactly what's not working, and what errors it's emitting?

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August 22nd, 2013 7:05am

Many of the dos programs do not work.

Another quirk due to running W8 Enterprise?   <eg>

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/windows-8/enterprise-edition.aspx

No MDOP there?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/mdop/default.aspx

Maybe it will work in Compatibility mode?  <eg>

Oops.  I took a second look.   There is a link there!

http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/06/26/ue-v-app-v-betas-for-windows-8-1-now-available.aspx

<quote>

 beta availability of two Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack products that will support the Windows 8.1 preview, User Experience Virtualization (UE-V) 2.0 and Application Virtualization (App-V) 5.0 SP2

</quote>

So, looks like the idea is not to provide compatibility any more but remote virtualization?

<quote>

Microsoft Application Virtualization (App-V) provides the administrative capability to make applications available to end user computers without installing the applications directly on those computers.

</quote>

Then, you can be on the "bleading edge" and make sure that your DOS programs "work fine" with (not in) W8.1 too.

Good luck

August 22nd, 2013 7:07am

@Robert Aldwinckle

Try the other suggestions and it does not work out well. Some more programs work but others still do not work.

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August 27th, 2013 7:24am

It seems you have several options, then:

  • Stay with whatever you're running these prehistoric programs with now (NT?  Win2000?  XP?).
     
  • Find alternatives to run them, e.g., with XP mode on Windows 7, or some unknown 3rd party OS that has more DOS program compatibility.
     
  • Look into some of the DOS emulators that have been developed for running ancient games.
      
  • Investigate HyperVisor and find a solution where you can run the ancient programs in a virtual environment on machines that also run Windows 8+.
     
  • Find modern alternatives to the ancient programs and update your business practices, eliminating the need to run software from the dark ages.  This potentially could eliminate the need to run Windows altogether, but such a sweeping change is not going to be painless.

The options above don't really force you into any particular OS.

I don't really think doing nothing is an option, though.  Even though I'm no big fan of the very latest OS releases and I DO think compatibility is important, I can say with confidence that it's WAY past time to find alternatives for DOS programs.

  

August 27th, 2013 11:06am

It seems you have several options, then:

  • Stay with whatever you're running these prehistoric programs with now (NT?  Win2000?  XP?).
     
  • Find alternatives to run them, e.g., with XP mode on Windows 7, or some unknown 3rd party OS that has more DOS program compatibility.
     
  • Look into some of the DOS emulators that have been developed for running ancient games.
      
  • Investigate HyperVisor and find a solution where you can run the ancient programs in a virtual environment on machines that also run Windows 8+.
     
  • Find modern alternatives to the ancient programs and update your business practices, eliminating the need to run software from the dark ages.  This potentially could eliminate the need to run Windows altogether, but such a sweeping change is not going to be painless.

The options above don't really force you into any particular OS.

I don't really think doing nothing is an option, though.  Even though I'm no big fan of the very latest OS releases and I DO think compatibility is important, I can say with confidence that it's WAY past time to find alternatives for DOS programs.

  

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August 30th, 2013 9:35am

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