Restore points
My restore points disapear on reboot.Quad booting with Vista sp2, xp media edition sp3, xp prof sp3, W7 rc.
August 15th, 2009 6:43am

Hello Mr. SevenThis may not be your problem but what I have found with multi-boot systems is that System Restore must be set to only monitor its own operating system partition. If, say, SR was turned on for all drives in all OSs, and XP reached its maximum disk storage allocation, then some or all SR points are removed for other OSs. I can't explain the exact circumstances but I haven't lost any since I set each operating system to only monitor its own drive/partition.
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August 15th, 2009 10:32am

Workaround for your problemhttp://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/926185 My English is not very well.
August 15th, 2009 10:36am

Bull. It should work without hacks.I presently have SR set to monitor only the system partition. I have Vista on another partition configured the same way and it also reboots with no points. I have 40 GB alloted for restore points on each system.
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August 15th, 2009 10:40am

Dual boot no excuse becouse it should work."This problem occurs when you start the computer by using the earlier operating system, such as Microsoft Windows XP or Microsoft Windows Server 2003. In this situation, the earlier operating system deletes all the restore points that were created in Windows Vista. The earlier operating system also deletes all Complete PC Backup files except the most recent version of these backup files."However, in this case I am starting the computer with 7 and going back into 7.
August 15th, 2009 10:47am

Have you any antivirus installed on W7? Try to temporarily uninstall or disable it, also checkfor various non-system cleaners installed, etc... My English is not very well.
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August 15th, 2009 11:07am

No AV present.Event viewer provides this record:Log Name: SystemSource: volsnapDate: 8/15/2009 4:25:17 AMEvent ID: 27Task Category: NoneLevel: ErrorKeywords: ClassicUser: N/AComputer: 7RCDescription:The shadow copies of volume J: were aborted during detection because a critical control file could not be opened.Event Xml:<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="volsnap" /> <EventID Qualifiers="49158">27</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>0</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2009-08-15T08:25:17.843750000Z" /> <EventRecordID>30267</EventRecordID> <Channel>System</Channel> <Computer>7RC</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data> </Data> <Data>J:</Data> <Binary>0000000002003000000000001B0006C003000000340000C002000000000000000000000000000000</Binary> </EventData></Event> Log Name: SystemSource: volsnapDate: 8/15/2009 4:24:38 AMEvent ID: 25Task Category: NoneLevel: ErrorKeywords: ClassicUser: N/AComputer: 7RCDescription:The shadow copies of volume J: were deleted because the shadow copy storage could not grow in time. Consider reducing the IO load on the system or choose a shadow copy storage volume that is not being shadow copied.Event Xml:<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="volsnap" /> <EventID Qualifiers="49158">25</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>0</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2009-08-15T08:24:38.750000000Z" /> <EventRecordID>30262</EventRecordID> <Channel>System</Channel> <Computer>7RC</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>\Device\HarddiskVolumeShadowCopy1</Data> <Data>J:</Data> <Binary>000000000200300000000000190006C0060000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000</Binary> </EventData></Event>
August 15th, 2009 11:14am

Event view recommends this:"Consider reducing the IO load on the system or choose a shadow copy storage volume that is not being shadow copied."How would I go about either one of these?
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August 15th, 2009 11:59am

I always get confused by the difference between Restore Point and Shadow Copy (which is not available in Vista HP:"Shadow copies of volumes and shared folders are configured from the server. You can set up shadow copies for all editions of this version of Windows except Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition, and Home Premium Edition.").You might try clicking the link Event Log Online Help that appears at the bottom of the Event Viewer page to get more information.
August 15th, 2009 12:58pm

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/support/ee/SearchResults.aspx?Type=1&Fallback=1&Source=volsnap&ID=27&Product=Windows%20Operating%20System&Version=6.1.7100.0&Language=1033
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August 15th, 2009 1:09pm

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/support/ee/SearchResults.aspx?Type=1&Fallback=1&Source=volsnap&ID=27&Product=Windows%20Operating%20System&Version=6.1.7100.0&Language=1033 Your example is better than mine.
August 15th, 2009 1:18pm

Well, It seems that XP is the culprit. Read this! And it will not be fixed. I felt that using a separate drivewould be ok, I went and checked my DATA drive, a shared volume for backups and storage, physically in the XP machineand found the Vista and Win 7 icons there with no files.So, I lost backups for a Vista machine networked to the shared DATA drive and the Win 7 RC backups on the dual booted machine.The registry change fix doesn't work for me as I access files on that drive when in XP. It would seem that removable storage is the solution. I have a removable drive eSata/USB enclosure and 500gb SATA drive as a backup for my laptop and is only connected to a Vista machine. Those backups are still there as it is only connected for back-up purposes for that computer and not network shared or in the same computer as the XP system.I think it's a bad deal that no one on the Vista or Win 7 teams alert anyone about this XP dual-boot back-up killer.Mr. Seven, thank you for the alert. This could have been a major problem later. I am trying to find another way to post this to alert others. Thanks again!The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back.
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August 15th, 2009 2:39pm

The impact: When you boot into Windows XP and automount a disk, you will notice the following effects on the disk after booting back to Windows Vista: All restore points are deleted from the disk. All previous versions of files are deleted from the disk. All but the most recent CompletePC Backup are deleted from the disk. The remaining backup made by CompletePC Backup is full and complete and can be used to restore your entire computer. Should this affect me if I create a retstore point on windows 7 and reboot directly back into windows 7?
August 15th, 2009 2:47pm

My interpretation is that you will not be affected until you boot into XP. If you have no files on that drive that you need for XP, the registry change from kb926185 will protect it.I now have some data rearranging to do. I am going to protect the drive with the registry change as my XP system is only used for tech support purposes at this time and my Vista and Win 7 machines are primary.The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back.
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August 15th, 2009 2:53pm

I read it the same way you did. It seems both 7RC and vista are losing restore points even if I avoid booting into XP.I'm stillgoing to try the registryfix andwhat it does although I doubt it will make a difference becouse if I don't boot into xp xp'svolsnap.sys won't change attributes to the points.I'll postthe results.
August 15th, 2009 3:01pm

I am going to try the registry change and create a backup and test now. I too will report back the result.The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back.
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August 15th, 2009 3:03pm

Well, It seems that XP is the culprit. Read this! That article is at least from 2006, judging from the first comment. I am not so sure where the hard line is drawn: "Note that dual-booting Windows Vista with Windows Server 2003 or Windows XP Professional x64 Edition will also result in the shadow copies being deleted."I just do full image backups. Heck with it.
August 15th, 2009 3:05pm

Actually image backups are more reliable I don't use system restore myself butI wonder why it's dead. I went to services and changed volume shadow copy from manual start to automatic. About to test it.
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August 15th, 2009 3:21pm

No avail.
August 15th, 2009 3:27pm

I actually had a situation where I had to rollback a driver update. But apparently the newer driver changed some config file the older one relied upon. So, rolling-back ended up being worse than had I done nothing at all. Now of course, someone is bound to come in here and defend MS by pointing the finger of blame at the faulty driver. Finger-pointing does me no good. I learned my lesson. Regardless of what policies might have existed, I will always make full image backups. It's the only way.
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August 15th, 2009 3:33pm

I made the registry changes and confirmed that XP had no access to the Win7 partition and the Data drive. I then rebooted into Win 7 and performed a backup to the DATA drive.I then went to XP and changed the offline setting for the DATA drive to allow XP access. Booted to XP and confirmed access restored.Rebooted into Win7 and performed a file restore. XP didn't change anything on the DATA drive with no OS. Restore feature provided browse and restore functions. The files were intact.I am therefore concludingthat XPaffects only the OS partition or drive and the VSS features from a serverif the client is dual boot. Make the registry changes and set the non-XP drives with Vista or Win7 as offline. A storage only volume is not affected.The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back.
August 15th, 2009 7:30pm

I also did the reg fix to the appropriate drives and also turned on the block levelbackup engine service to auto,the volume shadow copy service on to auto and have now have one saved restore point on the release candidate but no luck with vista. I also see there is a system created restore point but the ones I created are deleted.Is there a way to change where restore points are saved?
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August 15th, 2009 11:28pm

Update: Ichanged the drive where RP's are saved. For some reason it saves points to drives other than system partition.
August 17th, 2009 11:18am

Perhaps I should start a new thread but I had a big problem with Restore Points on a multi-boot system in which Vista was the OEM drive C: and Win7 was a new partition (drive letter E) on the same physical hard drive.The Windows 7 System Restore run from the disaster recovery DVD cannot figure out the right drive to put the Restore Point information back on unless I manually run rstrui.exe /offline:e\windows from the e:\windows\system32 directory on a computer that can only be booted off the rescue disk. The good news is that System Image Restore does know the right drive to put the restored images back on.If there is a better forum to post the above, please let me know. Obviously the programmers in charge of writing System Restore are not talking much to the Microsoft programmers working on installs that allow mult-boot systems to be set up!Jim Lewis
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October 22nd, 2009 7:17am

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