Old bug in the Save as... dialog
I hope it is not too late for this to be fixed. I just can't stand it. This bug is there since Windows 98 I think, since 2000 for sure. It only seems to happen with the classic "Save as" dialog, the one you get if you click on File >> Save as in Firefox or in the Notepad, to be clear. In this dialog, it may sometimes happen that you want to save a file with the same name of an already existing file, but you don't want to overwrite it. So you browse to the desired folder, click on the old file, press F2 and rename it. At this point, the desired file name in the textbox hasn't changed (which is correct), but if you click on "Save" you get a message box warning you that the file you have just renamed already exists. Example: You have a Dummy.txt file on your desktop. You open the Notepad and write some stuff, and than you want to save it as Dummy.txt, but you first want to rename the old file, to avoid overwriting it. You browse to the desktop within the save file dialog, click on Dummy.txt, press F2 and rename it to Dummy2.txt. Then you click on Save and you get a warning "The file 'Dummy2.txt' already exists! Do you wish to overwrite it?" which is wrong, since you never changed the text in the file name textbox. The workaround since Win98 was to alter the textbox in some way (i.e. inserting and removing a space), and after that it worked. But since Windows 7 seems to have improved many traditionally nasty limitations of Windows, fixing that would also be good. :) Of course I have checked, and this bug is still there in the RC. Thanks!
May 5th, 2009 2:56pm

I don't see this. I can rename the existing file to Dummy2.txt, press enter, then click save and Dummy.txt gets saved.
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May 5th, 2009 3:45pm

Strange. I remember checking this. I'll hope to find the time to quickly set up the RC somewhere too and post a video about that. Maybe my instructions weren't precise.
May 5th, 2009 5:17pm

Bug confirmed and reproduced. It does not show up if you press enter, but it does if you click outside the field of the file name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YlJQXm9W7s
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May 5th, 2009 10:28pm

So just press enter.These are pretty low priority, non show stopper type issues. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to be fixed. Frankly, it never occurred to me change the name of the existing file while in the file save dialog. I normally just change the name of the file I am saving, since that is what the Save As dialog is for.I don't do youtube.
May 5th, 2009 10:41pm

Hi Black Antitoon The link you posted only results in a YouTube/Google login page? I understand your issue and, as you stated, this has been the behavior across many versions of Windows. Over the years, this has been reported to Microsoft many times in the past and has always come back as working 'by design'. The problem is that the Save As dialog box is just that, a dialog box for saving files. It is not meant to be for general use as a Windows Explorer window. If you want to save a file with a duplicate name to the same location, you need to perform the renaming from a separateinstance ofWindows Explorer.Hope this helps.Thank You for testing Windows 7 Beta Ronnie Vernon MVP
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May 5th, 2009 11:29pm

Sorry for the video, I had set it as private because I want to review it to be sure it worked before making it public, and I had forgotten about that. It works now. I have good news then: if this happens by design, then the save file dialog is buggy by design. You can say anything: that this is not a serious bug, true, that this is easily avoidable by pressing enter (true, even if I have been ignoring that until today), that it is better for many reasons to use Windows Explorer to work with files, true, that fixing this may require hours of work, since that code hasn't been really changed since Windows 98 and is not "fresh", which is probably still true, and even that for this reason this is not worth fixing (for Microsoft, at least), and we can accept all these things. But nobody can ever believe that this is an intended behaviour. If the save dialog box was not designed to rename or move files (a feature which I do really appreciate), then that feature should have been disabled. And, as you stated, there are many other people who agree with me. Maybe, when requested by this many users, a minor adjustment to the design would be appropriate. Especially if you claim that this Windows 7 is based on user feedback. Of course I understand that you can't do anything with those policy, and I don't want to be aggressive (sorry if I am, I don't really mean to), but I think that everybody would appreciate if these things were said clearly. If you were used to renaming files from there when you want to keep a copy of the files you are overwriting, and you didn't know that you had to press enter, you would have seen that message box tens or hundreds of times. Believe me, it's frustrating to hear that this isn't going to be fixed even in the version of Windows which "has our fingerprint".
May 6th, 2009 12:17am

Hi Black AntitoonI understand exactly what you are saying and I don't necessarily disagree with your position.I don't know all of the coding issues with this particular change that you would like to see, except that like I stated before, this has been reported many times without any resulting changes being made.The issue that you described in your other thread about the associated behavior in the registry has bit me a few times. I did a lot ofresearch on the Group Policy component in the past,specifically the policies that had associated registry entries. I would be viewing specific registry keys and values and then changing a Group Policy object to see the change that was made in the registry. I don't know howmany times I was fooled because, the registry change is not made until a refreash takes place.I finally had to get used to pressing the F5 key after any GP change to make sure they appeared properly in the registry.Don't forget to post this request to our new feedback thread. Have Comments about Windows 7 RC?Hope this helps.Thank You for testing Windows 7 Beta Ronnie Vernon MVP
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May 6th, 2009 12:55am

Hi Ronnie, and thank you for your understanding. I know that regedit does not have auto-refresh, but the other bug report wasn't about that. The problem was that if you rename a value changing ONLY the case of some letters (in the video you see "MyValue" -> "MYVALUE"), you get an error message, and the only workaround is to go through another name first ("MyValue" -> "MYVALUE2" -> "MYVALUE"). Yes, I would also like to see auto-refresh in regedit, but to me this would be a new feature, not a bugfix. I'll post this stuff to the topic you have linked, thank you. :-)
May 6th, 2009 1:09am

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