Hello All,I will write here what bugs Ifind in windows 7 bets and will update the list when find new bugsBugs I found:1. If IPv6 is disabled and I leave my current HomeGroup, then cannot be created new HomeGroup intil IPv6 is enabled again2. HomeGroup settings under Share libraries and printers sections cannot be saved, so I cannot check how they works and whehter they works at all. I tryed different ways/dialogs to save them but it is not possible3. Windows Explorer cannot open ftp sites and shows message that there is not enough privileges to access ftp site, butthat is not true4. IE8 runs each page as separate proces, but ifcurrent tab freeze and I close itfrom task manager all instances of IE8 are closed5. IE8 stores last browsing sesion only of last instance closed, that is useless6. WMP 12 is auto imported 3gp and mpg video files, but not shows previes for them7. WMP 12 is autoimported in video library 3gp files but WMP cannot play them8. WMP 12 is autoimported in picture libraty17 354pictures(thisnumber I see if drag them in list)and it freeze and even crash if I try to open pictures library or to do something with pics in library. 9.Items count in WMP 12libraries is unknown10. If I resume from sleep all is working as before to goes in sleep except that network and sharing center cannot be oppened and when I click on dysplay icon near system clock in addition ofnetwork there is second entry that says identifying that is ovbiously frozen and stays until reboot11. If some program hangs close program function on taskbar button does not work12. If show desktop items is not cheked gadgest are added to desktop but are hidden and nothig shows the something is done. After I enabled desktop items after a lot of cliks my desktp was full with gadgets tha I had to remove manually one by one13. WMP 12 64 bit look like 16:9, but WMP 12 32 looks like 4:314. In WMP 12 I cannot find the way to open only with mouse file and options manu from now playing view, but even and with help of KB is is very hard to be done15. In WNP 12If I switch to info center view while movie is playing, reverting to no visualization leave screen blank until movie is paused and resumed or stopped and resumed16. In WMP 12 If I swith to info center fiew while in now playng mode after movie is finished I see movie preview windows on top on web page and even can move WMP 12 when I drag this windows17. If some process freeze in Windows 7it is not detected/reported by freezed by task manager as in old Windows OS and stay freezed until it be manually killed or system is rebooted18. If IE8 download finish download dialog always goes in background, no matter that it may be foreground window19. In IE8 active/current tab cannot be distinguished among other tabs20. Weathergadget does not work if my regional settings are set to Bulgarian.21. I cannot paste files using mouse right button if window is full with file, because there is not free space where to click on22. WM_SETTINGCHANGE is not send when regional settings are changed23. When command prompt is in full screen last line where cursor is, is under task bar when screen is full with text24. When I run some program, and when it appear on task bar I pin it to task bar. When I close it and try to start it from task bar button it gives error and does not run until I set Start in directory path manually25. Keyboard does not appear in devices and printers26. Double click of device in devices and printers opens properties instead of settings27. Webdav does not work, probably related to bug 3. I can open location via IE828. IE8 frquently display errors like: When a website causes a failure or crash, Internet Explorer attempts to restore the site. It stops after two tries to avoid an endless loop . Other error I got was that this forumwebsite is blocked by DEP :) caused by some plugin29. I can access homegroup from computer connected to LAN and running windows xp without password30. When share some category in homegroup settings(some times it works but there no recurrency)users folder is shared as read only for everyone31. Only printer that I shared manually from hardware and devices can be managed via homegroup sharing options32. Setup I made for some of my programs that uses NSIS installer report architecture of W7 x64 as x86 instead of AMD6433. When in IE8 I want to paste some text and I get message that ask me to allow or not, no matter what button I press it paste text, that means it allows access34. I can access files shered from W7 for homegroup from xp based computer without need to supply homegroup password35. In IE8 when I click few times on link that cause IE8 current tabto crash and auto recovery, IE8 issues message that it refuse to auto recover this tab anymore,soI am forcedto press refresh manually36. Reliability monitor is missing37. I drag and drop my documents and computer from right site of start menu(colored) to left side of start menu(white)and now I cannot unpin them. They will stay forever there38. All toolbars I add to taskbar appear at right of language bar, and I cannot swap their positions easydragging them.If I play long enough theyswap somehow, but I have no idea how39. New file extension cannot be registered, and program cannot be assigned for not registered file extension, because list with file extensions cannot be edited40 When TWAIN scaner driver is installed, scanner is reported as working as in devives and printers as well in device manager, but any try to use it result in error message saying that scenner is not found. Problem is solved with WIA driver41. If I want to map network drive, and I click browse button, browsw dialog freeze and I need to wait a lot before to be able to select folder43. If network share is mapped and credentials for connectionare stored, it ask each time for password if folder where file is copied require UAC confirmation44. DNS suffix list works only forsingle level sub domains. 45. Pop-upnotification areaballoons displayed on systemload did not point to correct notification area icon, because of shift of icons. My super duper desktop clock G-Clock, loads first and pop-up balloon, but then are displayed system icons and G-Clock icon is shifted left. but balloon stay still that makes it to point to incorrect notification area icon46. Deleted files always goes in recycle bin, even if moving files to recycle bin is disabled47. Disabling plug-ins from IE8 plug-ins settings does not work.48. WMP 12 have not enhancements orI cannot findway to show them.49. Myshell extension that is context menu handlerregistered for directory background is notworking inside library folders if I open them by clicking on library links, but works if I browse to same folder starting from drive root

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Hello harolds,Thank you for your advice!I hopeyour time spend reading my bug list was helpful for youI know this will solve problems, but I think it is not normal to auto import files that it cannot play.

number four and 5 are absolutely true. Windows 7 is great minus IE 8 which is still lagging behiind.

4. is not a bug, you have killed the parent iexplorer process. When you need to kill (but there is hardly a reason) a iexplorer process you need to identify the process related to the "frozen" tab using Task Manager - Resource Monitor and kill that process.11 is also no bug, a windows program who's main threaddoesn't pump it's message queue (because it's thread got blocked) will not terminate because it cannot handle the CLOSE message sent to it's main thread queue. This is true for all windows programs, irrespective the OS version they run on.

Hello Eric F., willy denoyettewilly denoyetteit is bug because I cannot find the way to identify freezed current page, because I can only identify ot by webpage title that I cannot see anywhere. Also if current tab freeze I still can switch tabs by previews and maybe with ctrl+tab, but when I click on other preview windows to activate other tab is popup again frized tab, so I can see other tabs when hover them but cannot activate them.I tried to close freezed active tab by clicking on close buton on preview window butbecause on bug 11 it do nothing,so I think this is bug

No it's not a bug, you have killed the "Frame Process", this process is the parent of all other Tab processes, if you kill this process the OS will tear down all it's children (the Tab processes), this is by design.You can find the offending process by usingthe Resource Monitor. You will need to exercise some activity in all the working tabs while looking atthe iexplore processCPU/Processes list , the one that does not show any CPU activity is the blocked process. Another way is by using the "Process Explorer" tool. However the best way to handle this is by using a debugger in order to find out why the process is frozen,but this is not expected from an end-users point of view (nor is killing a process).Also 11 is not a bug, a frozen Tab process (which is a regular UI Windows process)is no longer processing window messages (as it's main thread is blocked) so does never see the CLOSE message, more, if your process is stuck in the kernel ( driver code for instance) you won't be able to kill it either. This is standard Windows behavior and as nothing to do with W7.

But on other windows OS if process freeze and I try to close it it wait few seconds then closes and report error. In Windows 7 all processes stay freezed forever. In Xp for example I see freezed processes as not respondindI suppose this is the case whereproces cannot handle messages. In W7 some proces can stay freezed with hours and it is not reported as not responding.I will include this behaviour as nex bug I have found :)Why freezed current tab always popoup on working tabs and do not allow user to work with them? If fab that is not current freeze is is auto recovered

Ventsislav Alexandriyski said: Hello All,I will write here what bugs Ifind in windows 7 bets and will update the list when find new bugsBugs I found:1. If IPv6 is disabled and I leave my current HomeGroup, then cannot be created new HomeGroup intil IPv6 is enabled again2. HomeGroup settings under Share libraries and printers sections cannot be saved, so I cannot check how they works and whehter they works at all. I tryed different ways/dialogs to save them but it is not possible3. Windows Explorer cannot open ftp sites and shows message that there is not enough privileges to access ftp site, butthat is not true4. IE8 runs each page as separate proces, but ifcurrent tab freeze and I close itfrom task manager all instances of IE8 are closed5. IE8 stores last browsing sesion only of last instance closed, that is useless6. WMP 12 is auto imported 3gp and mpg video files, but not shows previes for them7. WMP 12 is autoimported in video library 3gp files but WMP cannot play them8. WMP 12 is autoimported in picture libraty17 354pictures(thisnumber I see if drag them in list)and it freeze and even crash if I try to open pictures library or to do something with pics in library. 9.Items count in WMP 12libraries is unknown10. If I resume from sleep all is working as before to goes in sleep except that network and sharing center cannot be oppened and when I click on dysplay icon near system clock in addition ofnetwork there is second entry that says identifying that is ovbiously frozen and stays until reboot11. If some program hangs close program function on taskbar button does not work12. If show desktop items is not cheked gadgest are added to desktop but are hidden and nothig shows the something is done. After I enabled desktop items after a lot of cliks my desktp was full with gadgets tha I had to remove manually one by one13. WMP 12 64 bit look like 16:9, but WMP 12 32 looks like 4:314. In WMP 12 I cannot find the way to open only with mouse file and options manu from now playing view, but even and with help of KB is is very hard to be done15. In WNP 12If I switch to info center view while movie is playing, reverting to no visualization leave screen blank until movie is paused and resumed or stopped and resumed16. In WMP 12 If I swith to info center fiew while in now playng mode after movie is finished I see movie preview windows on top on web page and even can move WMP 12 when I drag this windows17. If some process freeze in Windows 7it is not detected/reported by freezed by task manager as in old Windows OS and stay freezed until it be manually killed or system is rebooted18. If IE8 download finish download dialog always goes in background, no matter that it may be forefround window19. In IE8 active/current tab cannot be distinguished among other tabs Hi Ventsislav I urge you to also post this message to the following thread.Have Comments about Windows 7 Beta?The messages posted to that thread are collected by the Forum Owner and sent directly to the Windows 7 development tem.Just click the Reply buttonon the first message in that thread and post your list.Thanks, Ronnie Vernon MVPThank You for testing Windows 7 Beta

When you "close" a window you are actually sending a WM_CLOSE window message to the main thread of the application, when the application receives this message it has the chance to clean-up (saving files etc...) in it's message handler, when done it must return a value 0 as indication that he accepted the CLOSE request. If the application refuses to return 0 from it's message handler, the system will wait 30 seconds before displaying a message asking the userto stop the non responding, after witch the system tears down all other threads in the application (if any) and removes the process from the system. Now suppose, such an application has a thread (not the main thread) blocked in kernel (a bad driver in most cases), the main thread handles the WM_CLOSE message and return 0, everything is fine except it cannot remove the process as long as it has a thread blocked in kernel.See the difference.

Hello willy denoyette!Thank you for detailed answer, and time you spend to replay to me!

Bump :) There arenew bugs added:)

Bump, New very irritating bugs added

Forum administrators do not mark my replays as answer when I answer the question and give solution, remove my answer proposals and delete my posts.I do not think such a strategy deserves help, so I discontinued filling this list with new bugs I have foundI help people for free, wasting my time and sharing my knowledge, logic and experience, so I think I deserve a little bit respect!

Ventsislav Alexandriyski said:Forum administrators do not mark my replays as answer when I answer the question and give solution, remove my answer proposals and delete my posts.I do not think such a strategy deserves help, so I discontinued filling this list with new bugs I have foundI help people for free, wasting my time and sharing my knowledge, logic and experience, so I think I deserve a little bit respect!Please keep updating the bug list i find it very helpful. I think you should be given an award because you always are quick to reply and you never leave out any detail.

yes keep updating the list #25 I dont have that problem #24 I dont have that bug #29 I dont have that bug password needed Pic of network Both running xpsp2 #30 I dont have that bug allow full permission #31 I dont have that problem #34 I dont have that problem #37 I dont have that happen, option appears to create a link. #38 I have no problem, you need to grab the dotted bar and you can move anywhere you want, it would be nice if the bars was a vibrant color so its easy to see. #3 I have the same problem except, I do not have this problem with my home ftp site Pic here Homesite School project, Check here #10,11 and 12 I can not simulate your problems If needed I can summit pic and videos since I'm a newbe here. I'm smarter then my computer

With number 36. i believe that Reliability Monitor is replace with Performance Monitor and Resource Monitor. I found these two by typing "Monitor" into the start menu search bar.

#36 You will find it under View Problem History. Asrock K8NF6P, AMD64 3200+, 1.5GB RAM, Palit Geforce 8400GS 256MB, 500GB Maxtor SataII, Asus 1814BLT optical

BrowniMFC said:#36 You will find it under View Problem History. Asrock K8NF6P, AMD64 3200+, 1.5GB RAM, Palit Geforce 8400GS 256MB, 500GB Maxtor SataII, Asus 1814BLT opticalYes true I forgot about that one. :)

Bentree said: Ventsislav Alexandriyski said: Forum administrators do not mark my replays as answer when I answer the question and give solution, remove my answer proposals and delete my posts.I do not think such a strategy deserves help, so I discontinued filling this list with new bugs I have foundI help people for free, wasting my time and sharing my knowledge, logic and experience, so I think I deserve a little bit respect!Please keep updating the bug list i find it very helpful. I think you should be given an award because you always are quick to reply and you never leave out any detail. HelloBentreeIf you really think my big list is helpful then maybe I can continue to fill my bug list. Problem is that if I do not write bug immediately I forget it. Bentreeand BrowniMFCReliability monitor have bug because it is available under View problem history, but from nowhere else. If you open reliability monitor and then copy its path and paste it in windows explorer it will not open. If you open something else item from control panel and then copy and paste its path in windows explorer it will open it. I have tried from few other location to open it without success. So it is really here but have bug colakidI know that you may have not some of the problems listed here, because of different factors, but they exists and are bugs.For example #25 Keyboard. You have not problem because you use USB keyboard, but I have PS/2 keyboard and it does not appear in devices and printers, so I call this bug :)I use w7 x64 and #3 is valid for me. You probably use W7 32bit version, but it must work in any case.#37 add items to start menu , but then they cannot be removed from there. #38 is for language bar. I cannot drag bars that appear at right of language bar and they to went at left on language bar

I;m saying I don't get those problems, I'm lucky plenty of times, I dont have behaviors like some get because I find ways to solve them. I was hoping I did get the problem to see if I could fix em so I was able to get a (post was helpful). I did not bother with IE, because IE8 just suckz so bad, frustrates me to a point where I want to bang my head off the keyboard. Its good you put the stuff up so everyone can test and be aware of the implications with the interface I'm smarter then my computer

Ok people I will fill new entries in the list

Have you tried to change the properties of the taskbar buttons I'm smarter then my computer

testing testing 123 123 I'm smarter then my computer

What you mean?

Look here I hope this helps I'm smarter then my computer

I agree with 4, 11, 17 and 35. Aside from the previous explanations if it was a bug or not, the point still remains that even in windows 7 there are still issues with freezing of applications, espcially alot with the tabs in internet explorer 8. By now I would have hoped that when such an event occurs, and the whole desktop freezes, I would still have the power of the windows task manager (either ctrl+shift+esc or ctrl+alt+delete) that could override all windows and events. Instead, after waiting for over a minute, hoping the situation resolve itself with a error message, I am forced to do a hard reboot every time. It's time "this bug" is resolved for good.I agree with 21. Perhaps a little more space could be created below an above the window.

I,m to impatient to wait for any app to stop I'm smarter then my computer

17: I left my comp on for a week with a frozen app and the app stayed frozen for a hole week. Eventually I restarted the computer but it really is very annoying because if the same program was to freeze in vista than it would be solved in 30 seconds flat.So Microsoft make some changes!!!

I have another bug for you to add to your list. If you access your virtual memory setting when you click the ok button the panel freezes until I restart my comp.

I can't replicate that Bentree.Have just changed from system managed to the recommended setting and after a reboot have set it back to system managed with no problems. Asrock K8NF6P, AMD64 3200+, 1.5GB RAM, Palit Geforce 8400GS 256MB, 500GB Maxtor SataII, Asus 1814BLT optical

hmmm... maybe my comp is stuffed. Wait a sec what happens if you have backup running in the background? I forgot to say that before. Sorry :(

Which build is this ? The 7000 ? I have a list for 7048 and 7057 and will post it to the Have Comments... thread. In 7048 I used the feedback tool but in 7057 there is no such?

NetwrkPro said: Which build is this ? The 7000 ? I have a list for 7048 and 7057 and will post it to the Have Comments... thread. In 7048 I used the feedback tool but in 7057 there is no such?HiPlease avoid posting feedback about any interim versions of Windows 7 to that Have Comments feedback thread. That thread is focused on the official public beta version 7000and any feedback there is assumed to be about that version.Thanks for understanding. Ronnie Vernon MVPForum Moderator

I do not understand. I want to help with testing. Where to send the feedback, how?

Bugs list updated

28. IE8 frquently display errors like: When a website causes a failure or crash, Internet Explorer attempts to restore the site. It stops after two tries to avoid an endless loop . Other error I got was that this forumwebsite is blocked by DEP :) caused by some pluginAbout #28, I can say that I've been suffering same issue in Vista x64 with previous beta IE8 builds. However, the problem vanished with IE8 Final version in Vista.I'm guessing that now IE8 has been released, those problems will be solved in W7 RC.W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm! And now on my VAIO FE31M Laptop.

Bugs list updated with bug 48 Thank you all for your comments!

WOW! 48 bugs. This is getting big!Bentree.

New bug #49 added

Also some major problems running Windows 7 beta (fully updated) on Boot Camp (with a new MacBook Pro): - No support for MacBook fan control, better then Vista but the computer still gets very very hot. - Windows 7 freeze once a day without no reason. - Very often the folders/desktop do not update without manually refresh. - Menu gets blank when moving icons. - Placing a secondary clock for eg. other country do not display correct timeformat. But I'm impressed by Microsoft, they are now only one light year behind OS X now instead of five :) But I do not understand why they not abandon IE, its a lost battle.

I've encountered problems with Windows 7 when my computer sits idle and goes to sleep. It stays frozen unless you hit the power button to put it to sleep and then hit the power button again. Also I have Cakewalk Pyro Audio Creator 1.5 and it has some compatibility issues I believe. When burning a CD from Cakewalk, windows pops up error "No disc in drive" but I can burn it off of iTunes.