Developers of Windows 7 are presupposing basic familiarity with the internet. This is a false assumption. Many a new computer has been purchased by (or for) someone who is entering the computer world for the first time, just to see the picture that "Cousin Alonzo" has posted on his new website or to get the email picures someone sent Grandma.With Windows Mail or Outlook Express included within the OS, one can set up just the email account for Grandma and take the necessary time needed to teach her all the other things she needs to know about internet safety, netiquette and protocal later. If a baby boomer (those that have the most disposable income, Microsoft...) purchases a new computer with Windows 7 but no on-board email program in the OS, this is just asking for trouble. Microsoft wants to justify leaving the email program out "to make for faster download and install." This logic makes no sense as supposedly, the OS is only downloaded or installed once or twice in the life of the computer. Email will be checked almost daily.If a user is a geek, he/she is probably already using LINUX anyway. Developers: Make the system as secure and stable as possible and forget about download/install size. No one chooses an OS for its install speed but for its reliability. Aslo, don't lose sight of the fact that people do not turn on their computers to interact with the operating system. They turn it on to get work done or play games. The best system is one I DON'T have to think about or change out of the box.

I have spent countless hours weaning people off of computer based e-mail programs simply because, if they use them they cannot access their saved emails from a web based account from another computer. I have also had the problem of setting up an account with an ISP and then having to change providers, thereby requiring a difficult transfer to another provider. I suggest if people are using an ISP based email account that they use the webmail function that most ISP's provide. Personally I prefer using web based accounts like Gmail, Hotmail (I have had my current Hotmail account for over 10 years with no problems) and Yahoo Mail. I am sure that they are not functional enough for power users, but that might be about 5% of email users. And if you are a power user then you most likely would have no problem downloading and setting up Outlook or Livemail or Thunderbird to meet your needs.I didn't even notice that Outlook was gone until I started reading about it in these posts.

Mozilla's Thunderbird is easy to use as a substitute for Windows Mail, Outlook, Outlook Express. There's a few minor differences but serves the purpose well enough for any ISP based accounts. The ISP wasn't received herewhen imported with the Live mail account while outgoing mail still went out through that account. But there's no spam mail coming in there like seen coming in on the ISP's mail server and other free online providers. You can look at it both ways.

Sonny, I kinda see your point. But on the other hand, there's reasons why they're doing this. I'd say a big part of it has to do with the EU/EC and how they're planning to give MS the shaft yet again over Internet Explorer. By making stuff optional - in other words, by divesting these "features" as optional downloads, they're heading them off at the pass - before it costs them yet another billion in fines. And besides, I think most people don't really use OE/Window Mail for much of anything any more. If you've got Office of some flavor or other, you're likely to use Outlook. Most business' pretty much swear by it. The Alt crowd that's into Firefox has no doubt heard of Thunderbird and likely use it - even tho Outlook Express has some features that are better. Me... I use GoldMine - my contact manager for my business stuff and Hotmail to catch my spam and the like. On the other hand... I'm thinking it would probably be a smart thing for Microsoft to put a shortcut on the Win 7 desktop that tells people where to go if they can't live without Windows Live Mail or any of the other features that are being pulled... That would make it much easier for Granny to find where to get the program. However, odds are Granny's gonna have someone helping her out when she gets her new box and the person helping would likely know where to go.

sonnystarks said:Developers of Windows 7 are presupposing basic familiarity with the internet. This is a false assumption. Many a new computer has been purchased by (or for) someone who is entering the computer world for the first time, just to see the picture that "Cousin Alonzo" has posted on his new website or to get the email picures someone sent Grandma. Welcome to 2009 where web application based email access is plentiful.By now Grandma is using Gmail or Hotmail which are both web based and easier to work with than a client based application.

I do see what you are saying, that it should be included for those that want it. They also removed Windows Movie Maker from the install, which will bother some people.Microsoft's solution is that people download the Windows Live Essentials pack, which I know is forcing someone to navegate to the page (http://download.live.com/), but I think it is a suitable solution. If the person is the type of person you mentioned above that doesn't understand web interfaces, they will probably need help setting up Windows Mail or Outlook (if they know how to set up Outlook or Mail without knowing how to download the Essentials pack, I would be quite surprised). This is when the tech savvy person in their family comes over, downloads the Essentials pack, and sets up the email for them. It isn't absolutely necessary in these situations to have it included in the OS.

I am using windows live mail in vista and in xp. YOu can take your .wab file for your contacts and save them on a flash drive and put it on windows live mail and import them in with no problems. If you are upgrading from vista eventually to windows 7 you can take the windows mail cvs contact file, export it into windows live mail, in fact windows live mail will "see" windows mail in vista and ask you to bring in your contacts and even your emails. robin

In this day and age, not many people use POP mail anymore, as web-based email is certainly easier to set up and use.I think the best solution would be to make the windows live package easier to get to if an individual really needed these programs. I'm a fan of the slimmer/less-bloat windows.

You web mail folks are all a bunch of sheep...I hate webmail. Why? Several reasons. A) I have a laptop and like to take my email with me to places where I cannot access the web, but need the information from those older emails. b) Webmail interfaces are beginning to have AD boxes in them...it's bad enough I get 10,000 spams a day--do I really want my ISP to or Yahoo, or Hotmail, or whatever to be spamming me with ads surrounding my email? ISPs would like nothing more than to get rid of pop mail but I will claw and hold on to the end....and for the record, some one noted they had to ween someone off of their pop mail account--there was a reason those people liked it. It worked. I deal with a lot of older computer users and they don't want to be weened off of anything. They want their freaking outlook express back and were pretty ticked to see it go from Vista. When they get Windows 7, they are just going to plotz

Gerry, 1.) Outlook Express didn't really go anywhere in Vista. They merely changed the name to Windows Mail. The program was pretty much the same as OE 6 - except for the title bar at the top and the splash screen. 2.) If they buy a Dell (or presumably any other OEM box), the OEM's can always do the hard work for them and install the stuff ahead of time. 3.) If they do an upgrade, it may be a challenge.. But not insurmountable.

gerryf said:b) Webmail interfaces are beginning to have AD boxes in them...it's bad enough I get 10,000 spams a day--do I really want my ISP to or Yahoo, or Hotmail, or whatever to be spamming me with ads surrounding my email?Use firefox with the adblock plus addon. You get ad-free surfing no matter what site you go to...

I can point out one thing that while Vista was still in beta form Windows Mail was unavailable there too. You had to use something like Thunderbird if you were't dual booting with XP at the time.

I know a ton of people use web based email and think it is great. But I know there are flaws and will always pull my email to a local machine or my own network. Some for the same that another person posted. If I use a laptop I can view old emails and data without being connected if I am traveling on an airplane I can write my emails in windows mail, outlook etc and when I am connected they will be sent. So the items I write in a few hour airplane ride can be sent while I am in the terminal on a layover for say 20 min. Plus I like to keep old emails. You never know when you might want to review something. Web places do have limits and you never know they could one day have a problem and your emails are gone. If you are an IT person you are more apt to trust your own backup schedule and not that of some corporation that may or may not be concerned with your data. Also the web server may one day be hacked and your emails are gone. People think that their privacy is protected on these places but they really aren't. I also think it could be a way for Microsoft to cut down their OS and have people download the windows live packages which they could one day add as a separate charge.

Jerry11223 said: I know a ton of people use web based email and think it is great. But I know there are flaws and will always pull my email to a local machine or my own network. Some for the same that another person posted. If I use a laptop I can view old emails and data without being connected if I am traveling on an airplane I can write my emails in windows mail, outlook etc and when I am connected they will be sent. So the items I write in a few hour airplane ride can be sent while I am in the terminal on a layover for say 20 min. Plus I like to keep old emails. You never know when you might want to review something. Web places do have limits and you never know they could one day have a problem and your emails are gone. If you are an IT person you are more apt to trust your own backup schedule and not that of some corporation that may or may not be concerned with your data. Also the web server may one day be hacked and your emails are gone. People think that their privacy is protected on these places but they really aren't. I also think it could be a way for Microsoft to cut down their OS and have people download the windows live packages which they could one day add as a separate charge. Well I have some news for you mentioned in the last post and what I've seen in the Programs directory in 7 so far. The Windows Mail folder and main executable is still seen. But like I was saying before 7 like Vista when in beta saw that unavailable.As for mail coming in on an ISP's mail server one spammer after another filled up the maximum block sender list. Even when blocking the main server when reviewing the source information I still have to log in there online to delete garbage before opening WM in Windows and seeing all that downloaded. Live Hotmail also sees the Drafts folder there as well as seen in WM for saving outgoing mail you write. Once connected you simply forward it along.

hydroponik said: I think the best solution would be to make the windows live package easier to get to if an individual really needed these programs. I'm a fan of the slimmer/less-bloat windows. Have to agree with ya there - while I do see the advantage of having loads of stuff installed with Windows, I would personally also like to see the least amount of bloat possible. I'm pretty sure many people wouldn't be upset when IE+OE+WMP were all removed from the Windows core and added as optional downloads.

Er.. IE and WMP were removed..? When..? Last I checked, both were included in the Win 7 beta image... In fact, I'm using IE to post this... And last I checked, IE is still integrated into the Windows product...WMP was removed only in the N version of Windows - primarily to satisfy the EC. Not that anyone with a gram of sanity would ever buy it (they didn't). Heck, not even Real Media wanted it - and they were the ones who brought the case to the EC... Seems Microsoft, in conforming to the letter of the ruling against them removed ALL of WMP - including the bits that Real Player uses to do it's thing. Now Opera's trying to do the same with IE... The EC, of course, is more than happy to oblige - just so they can get another billion or two in fines... I seriously hope they have an epic FAIL...

Wolfie2k6 said: Er.. IE and WMP were removed..? They weren't.

By taking out Windows Mail, Messenger, Movie maker etc MS have actually reduced the footprint of Windows 7. However, in my opinion, they have counteracted this by including what can only be described as 'gimmicky' additions. The new taskbar, for instance, looks aweful and who wants to 'shake' open windows to minimise them, i certainly don't.The Wow factor was never in Vista and it certainly isn't in Windows 7 either, but then again Windows 7 is, to all intent and purpose, Vista in sheep's clothing. Many people are raving about the 'touch screen' functionality. I'm not buying a new touch screen monitor simply to resize graphics etc, I can do that just as well with a mouse.I must admit, though, I am disappointed with the removal of Windows Live Mail, not for my sake, because I use Windows Live Mail, but because of all those that prefer Windows Mail/Outlook Express. Having said that Windows Live Mail isn't as good as it's cracked up to be and it still does contain bugs!John Barnett - Windows XP Associate Expert; Windows Desktop Experience. - Web: http://www.winuser.co.uk; Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org; Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

Remembering that this is a beta which users are downloading, I have no problem with the exclusion the an email client. It is assumed that most beta testers are more computer literate then the average user and will know what alternatives are available.Having said that, most users of the production versions of Win 7 will get it in one of the following ways:On a new PC - agreed - the manufacturer can, and should add the email program, whether Windows Live or something else and not a demo product either.On a DVD purchased retail. If Microsoft wants to avoid ECU fines, then they should not include an email client as part of the installation. However, there is no reason why it cannot be included on the DVD as a separate installation (they can include a couple of non Microsoft email clients if that will shut up the ECU.As a download purchased from Microsoft. Same as 2 - include the email clients in the ISO file in separate folders for separate installation.Hopefully, this will answer the needs of most of the people. In cases 2 and 3, it should be made clear in one way or another that the email clients have not been installed, but are available on disk (maybe Opera and Firefox should be included as well to quiet the ECU complainers). Windows 7 beta dual booting with VISTA Home Premium 2 GB memory 160 HD Gateway Laptop HP Officejet 6310 All-in One inkjet printer Verizon FIOS Internet Connection

Minttunator said: Wolfie2k6 said: Er.. IE and WMP were removed..? They weren't. Ok... Just calling attention to what you said in your previous post:"I'm pretty sure many people wouldn't be upset when IE+OE+WMP were all removed from the Windows core and added as optional downloads."

Yes, Wolfie, that's what I said - that these features can, in my opinion, safely be removed from the Windows core and added as optional downloads, as has already been done with the default mail client. Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly enough. The less bloat is installed with Windows, the happier I'll be.

Try Windows Live Mail. Next to the full fledged Outlook, it is awesome and it is a liked download thrum Win 7 on the Start Menu (if you noticed) Gripe about what??? Windows mail and OE are outdated

Minttunator said: Yes, Wolfie, that's what I said - that these features can, in my opinion, safely be removed from the Windows core and added as optional downloads, as has already been done with the default mail client. Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly enough. The less bloat is installed with Windows, the happier I'll be. "I'm pretty sure many people wouldn't be upset when IE+OE+WMP were all removed from the Windows core and added as optional downloads."I think the confusion stems from the PAST tense used in the above quote. At any rate, I think you're wrong on that. As I pointed out earlier - Windows XP N went NOWHERE fast. No one wanted it - not even the guys who started whining in the first place. Real Media didn't like it because their player is nothing more than a shell that uses WMP's code. The EC didn't care. They got their fines to pad their bank accounts. I don't see removing IE from Windows is likely to make Granny or Joe Q. Sixpack happy either. Most of them don't really give a flying fig about "bloat" Their idea of "bloat" is what happens after Thanksgiving dinner after they've stuffed themselves to the verge of being sick. To them "The Internet" IS embodied in IE.Besides, is 4.5MB of disk space really "bloat?" I can kinda see it if you had a very limited amount of disk space - like 20 GB. But seriously... In this day and age with hard drives stretching into the 2 TB range - does it really matter? Seriously, what's the average hard drive sold these days - 500 - 750 GB? If IE offends you - simply unpin the icon from your task bar. Installyour favoritebrowser you - Opera, Firefox, Chrome, or if you're a real glutton for punishment - Safari and move on with life. And speaking of Safari and products from Apple... Whyis all thestuff crammed intoOSX considered to be "features" while stuff bundled with Windows is just bloat? OSX comes with a browser preinstalled. So maybe Apple should be barred from including a browser with their OS - just to make things fair? Didn't think so...What ifyou never use Garage Band - ever? I'm guessing that program and all it's files probably suck upat least a few hundred MB... I'd say that would be considered bloat and a waste of disk space. And yet, it's considered to be a valued feature. A bit of a double standard...?Anyways... So what would be the point of removing IE? To date, you can install ANY number of other browsers - ALL of them if you've got the need, and they'll all happily coexist. The same goes for WMP... Install your favorite media player, associate everything you want with it and you never need to see WMP ever again.

While it is not much help to the casual pc user, windows mail can be made to work in windows 7.

To carry Wolfie2k6's point further: How is it that Linux distros, by virtue of being 'open source' have everything including the kitchen sink included. Seems that laws were intended to level the field and be fair and equal? Obviously not. Apple and most Linux distros are no better than Windows in most respects. Recent distros take as long or longer than Windows to install and same on start-up. And compatabilities??? And Apple? Well that is truly an antitrust wreck waiting to happenEverything is proprietary and little is allowed to be compatable nor allowed on the system. Maybe why alot of us stick with MSFT????

And to emphasize Lonewolf's point - Linux distros commonly include Open Office...Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth should Microsoft decide to bundle Office with Windows...? Even if it was just tossing out WordPad and just including Word... The DOJ would have an epic gran mal epileptic fit of biblical proportions...The amount of manure that would rain down on 1 Microsoft Way if that happened would make Noah's flood look like a light sprinkle...

veef said: While it is not much help to the casual pc user, windows mail can be made to work in windows 7.Most interesting!!For *ME* having an instrument like WinMail is an essential (especially as it handles mail + news). At least for my needs the bloated praises of Web-mailare not valid.Therefore: Would you pls so kind as to let us know how you managed to get WinMail gong under Win7??TIARainald

to be honest windows live mail is very good. The mail program is winmail. The difference is windows live mail offers you to integrate several applications in one mail program. It is the root application for years to come. I'm smarter then my computer

colakid,yes, it's MS' strategy to make LiveMail a "root" application.It does not fufil my needs, whereas WinMail did.Therefore indeed the subject of this thread is right in sying that MS is making a mistake when leaving out WinMail.It seems that at least under the current Win 7 Beta it's possible to get WinMaol going.Only question is HOW.Rainald

veef and I know but TOS says no I'm smarter then my computer

Apple can do it because for one they're not classified a monopoly and 2, unlike Microsoft, they make the hardware too.Linux is different. The amount of included application differs on the distribution. Also, unlike Windows, the included Web, email, and office applications are made by different companies who are different than who makes the Operating System itself.

I vote helpful to lonewolf explanation of win mail live it is a great mail applicationI'm smarter then my computer

veef: Would youexplain how Windows Mail can be made to work in Windows 7, please.

Bring back Windows Mail.Consider it DONE!If you rename the Windows Mail folder In C:\Program Files\Windows Mail, sayby placing an ! after the folder name, you can import Windows Mail from thesame location in Vista. Copy the folder to C:\Program Files, and create ashortcut on the desktop. You can then drag it to the System Taskbar.If, like me, you have used an alternate mail store in Vista (on anotherpartition/drive) you can again use the same Mail Store within Windows 7. Youwon't lose anything!I have done this and Windows Mail works fine.The only problem is that you can not set Windows Mail as a default emailclient or as your default newsgroup reader. But, it handles the mail andemail fine. Enjoy!

Microsoft is removing the client for many reasons, some of which we will never be privy to (nor do we need to be - we mistakenly think we need to have the answer to everything these days). If you keep up with technology news, you'll know that Microsoft is getting hit hard with regard to including products in the Operating System. Not only is Microsoft trying to meet court requirements in certain regions, but I imagine they are trying to appease as many people and groups as they can - they are after all a business that needs to make money. Microsoft has also been heading in the direction of web based computing for many years now. Windows Live is just the next stage in that and fits in well with smoothing over other areas (such as what I mentioned above). Keep in mind that they still know how to integrate your downloaded "Live Essentials" software into the OS better than anyone else, so it will still work well with regard to integration in MOST situations. I also find it amusing how we all feel "our" way of using e-mail is the best. I personally like Windows Live Mail very much (better than Outlook, actually, which I use at work). I used to be a Thunderbird person, but I've moved on now. I also regularly use Windows Live Mail online(Hotmail online), which also works great. There are pros and cons to all of these ways of accessing and managing our e-mail. There is no one-size fits all. When it comes to "simplicity" and "ease of setup", there is also no single right answer. I help everyone from my wife to friend's grandmothers setup e-mail. Each of them understands different aspects of e-mail and how to use Windows, so none of them finds one particular way easier that also applies to the others. They are each unique. Personally, I'm 100% behind what Microsoft is doing with Windows Live Mail, especially considering their future goals and vision with web based services, the barrage of individuals and countries out there attacking their use of various software being built into windows, and the fact that they are trying to cater to a lot of different people with a lot of different abilities and wants. This doesn't mean I like everything about Windows Live Mail, nor do I think they have everything right.But that's okay. That's part of life. It's called being mature and looking at more than just my perspective.

I wish the govt or the EU would get off MS back..And let them make a OS the way they want to. Then we would all have a choice to buy it or not to buy it. The mistake here is trying to please everyone which leads to pleasing no one. Myself included. As it stands now, I need a pop based email program, preferably one like Windows Mail in Vista. Please don't even try to 'force' me to get a web based email program. I will resist it till the cows come home and start using the telephone. As of t his writing, if an OS has no email program, I will not buy it.(period). TO ALL THOES GOVT ENTITY'S THAT ARE REGULATING MS AND THIS INDUSTRY. GET OFF MS BACK AND GO HOME AND GET A JOB! Jay Lawrence Worrell

I only use WinMail for newsgroups. My email is a Hotmail account, and has been for many years. WinMail isa good newsgroup tool for reading and replying. For binary downloads I use Agent, but for everday reading/replying WinMail does the job.I agree that leaving it out is a mistake.

Jay - You DO realize that you can download Windows Live Mail for Windows 7... And that it's quite likely that most OEMs will likely go ahead and preinstall the whole Live Essentials package for those buying a new computer... While it's not included, it IS still a free download.

I wish the govt or the EU would get off MS back..And let them make a OS the way they want to. Then we would all have a choice to buy it or not to buy it. The mistake here is trying to please everyone which leads to pleasing no one. Myself included. As it stands now, I need a pop based email program, preferably one like Windows Mail in Vista. Please don't even try to 'force' me to get a web based email program. I will resist it till the cows come home and start using the telephone. As of t his writing, if an OS has no email program, I will not buy it.(period). TO ALL THOES GOVT ENTITY'S THAT ARE REGULATING MS AND THIS INDUSTRY. GET OFF MS BACK AND GO HOME AND GET A JOB! Jay Lawrence Worrell

You'd be better of with windows live mail client anyway since it handless every type of protocall. On the other handthemail program that came with vista was limited.

I wish the govt or the EU would get off MS back..And let them make a OS the way they want to. Then we would all have a choice to buy it or not to buy it. The mistake here is trying to please everyone which leads to pleasing no one. Myself included. As it stands now, I need a pop based email program, preferably one like Windows Mail in Vista. Please don't even try to 'force' me to get a web based email program. I will resist it till the cows come home and start using the telephone. As of t his writing, if an OS has no email program, I will not buy it.(period). TO ALL THOES GOVT ENTITY'S THAT ARE REGULATING MS AND THIS INDUSTRY. GET OFF MS BACK AND GO HOME AND GET A JOB!Jay Lawrence Worrell Mr7 is right, you know. I set up wlmail for an AT&T POP3 account on a friend's computer. It took hardly a few minutes. As verification, I also set up mine with that same AT&T account, along with my Live and Hotmail accounts which are linked. It was a breeze. I honestly don't understand why someone would rantabout downloading wlmail. It is kind of fun.

Not quite true ! Thunderbird doesn't offer Winmail on its import list - so if you are like me and have just 'upgraded' to W7, you will find that all yr emails have got left behind. I'm now sepnding countless hours trying to figure out how to recover them - with or without T'Bird. I've even 'upgraded' TV with an import / export tool to look for .eml files , but so far have been unable to find any ( did find my contact list though) ! I agree with Sonny above - omitting this simple utility to bring over your saved email via W7 is a mistake and whats more , the simple msg that you get while upgrading belies the fact that its a very difficult task to - a) find where the 'old' saved emails are located ( in my case Vista) once W7 has 'taken over' ......and b) if I ever find that out , how to port them across to another email program. Not happy about this sloppiness.....!

I always make a backup of this folder and restore it to load my account settings, port settings and whatever email maesseges might be in here as well.xp: C:\Documents and Settings\David\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail7: E:\Users\David\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live MailBTW, Thunderbird can only check live or hotmail once every 15 minutes.

If you rename the Windows Mail folder In C:\Program Files\Windows Mail, sayby placing an ! after the folder name, you can import Windows Mail from thesame location in Vista. Copy the folder to C:\Program Files It's not necessary to copy the whole folder from Vista. You only need to replace the file "msoe.dll" with a version of Vista (and: The same version 32 or 64 bit). The only problem is that you can not set Windows Mail as a default email client Can be done. Copy all corresponding REG entry from Vista. Or use REG file "Windows-Mail.zip" from this page

Honestly I replaced the msoe.dll and when it failed i had to replace other files from the same folder to get it to work but you know the real issue is how the first time I opened windows mail on windows vista I was absolutleyshocked when I entered my email address and it told me it did not support web based email, what other kind of email is there? Now I am am given a link to windows live and have to go through the most humiliating and embarising process of downloading and installing this "windows live" software which does not seem to be as good as the mail program that came with vista if only it worked with the most common types of email addresses. (maybe since i copied more files from that folder I did not need the registry entry to make it work...)

I finally installed WLM in audit mode and captured the image from PE. That's what they should have done in the first place.

I slipstreamed it. Doing their dirty work again. "Ultimate. The most complete edition of windows." Ha.I useemail clients toavoid those obnoxiousflash player advertisments for weight loss pills from the email sites. And now Hotmail sends advertisments along with your emails for the recipiant to read. That is if you don't use an email client.

I wish the govt or the EU would get off MS back..And let them make a OS the way they want to. Then we would all have a choice to buy it or not to buy it. The mistake here is trying to please everyone which leads to pleasing no one. Myself included. As it stands now, I need a pop based email program, preferably one like Windows Mail in Vista. Please don't even try to 'force' me to get a web based email program. I will resist it till the cows come home and start using the telephone. As of t his writing, if an OS has no email program, I will not buy it.(period). TO ALL THOES GOVT ENTITY'S THAT ARE REGULATING MS AND THIS INDUSTRY. GET OFF MS BACK AND GO HOME AND GET A JOB!Jay Lawrence Worrell Mr7 is right, you know. I set up wlmail for an AT&T POP3 account on a friend's computer. It took hardly a few minutes. As verification, I also set up mine with that same AT&T account, along with my Live and Hotmail accounts which are linked. It was a breeze. I honestly don't understand why someone would rantabout downloading wlmail. It is kind of fun.

I got my Hotmail to work with vista mail pop3 by entering @hotmai.com and changing it to @hotmail.com after creating the account.Seasons greetings!

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