Isn't it true?
Isn't it true that Microsoft didn't really remove Windows Mail from Windows 7 but actually left winmail.exe in Windows 7 as a hedge against the failure of its cloud-based "Windows Live Mail". Of course Winmail.exe won't execute on Windows 7 - this was done deliberately. Given a choice MS had to know that 90% of Windows 7 users would have used Windows Mail over Windows Live Mail. For some reason, MS wanted to force Win 7 users to use Windows Live Mail. Why? One part is true - you can find Winmail.exe on every version of Windows 7. So if this is not a hedge against the outcry from disgruntled users who are upset about having a real email client instead of a cloud-based desktop interface of a very poor Webmail client -based on Hotmail - why is Winmail.exe on Windows 7? Microsoft doesn't leave things lying around because they forgot it was there. Isn't it true that MS has the technology to insert text ads in every email sent using Windows Live Mail - regardless of account used and regardless of where it is accessed from? Of course it's true. I've seen ads inserted in an email sent with Windows Live Mail in a person using a Comcast address as well as some using Hotmail and Live.com addresses. Isn't it true that Microsoft is trying to monetize email - personal email? Windows Live Mail is not an email client, it's a desktop interface for Windows Live Mail on the Web. There's no desktop email in Windows 7 - well there is but it isn't usable. By Microsoft's reasoning, then Google's Gmail Offline is an email client too. It runs from the desktop, it synchronizes mail between the cloud and the PC. My question is - Isn't it true that Microsoft left Winmail.exe in Windows 7 intentionally as a hedge against complaints by disgruntled Windows 7 users who know that Windows Live Mail isn't a real desktop email program - and don't like Microsoft inserting ads and promotions in their personal emails? If this is not so why did Microsoft leave Winmail.exe in Windows 7? I'd really like to see an honest answer to this, but I doubt that I will.
November 6th, 2009 7:32pm

HiWhat makes you think that the client windows live mail is cloud based. winmail.exe is installed on windows 7 when you install windows live mail. If you look at the shortcut properties for windows live mail it points at winmail.exe.I have set up windows live mail as an email client with all the windows live stuff disabled on 3 of my accounts on my own domains. I have checked the connections after checking for mail ( using ipconfig /displaydns) and the only connections are to my pop accounts on the relavent email servers. I have sent test emails to myself and recieved them with no adverts at all. Windows live mail stores emails and data on the PC in my user profile. This to me is an email client but if you can tell me why you think differently then I like a challenge and will investigate.all the bestmalc.
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November 6th, 2009 8:42pm

HiI am sorry I got it wrong. I put my glasses on and looked at the short cut again and it is to wlmail.exe not winmail.exe which is a vastly smaller exe so I am now intrugued. Microsoft why is windows mail in program files and why cant you execute winmail.exe. I still only see my pop servers on the list when I get mail but there is a link to config.messenger.msn.com when windows live mail starts. Thankyou Tiagara for pointing this out and lets hope we get some answers.malcps there are also registry settings for windows mail (winmail.exe) and when winmail.exe is executed it does run as its on the tasklist but there is no interface.Can someone explain what is going on here
November 6th, 2009 10:15pm

Hi I have no doubt it is stand alone as I have said above but I am intrigued as to why windows mail (winmail.exe) is installed with windows 7 with all its ascociated registry settings and it runs although the interface is not there.This is not just on the beta but on my full windows 7 pro.It does not make sense.As for windows live mail I now use I find is very good and noproblem at all. As I have said above all the files are stored locally so its not online and I agree people can get confused because of the name but it still does not answer thequestion why was windows mailinstalled in the first place.malc
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November 6th, 2009 11:38pm

After searching for the past few minutes, winmail.exe is not installed on my system (Win7 Ultimate X64). Of course I have not installed Live Mail either. I use ThunderBird. So I suspect it's related to the Live Mail installation. Anyone else?
November 7th, 2009 4:08am

wlmail.exe is a standalone email program. It's not web-based, and it's really pretty nice. It's oftenconfused with web-based mail.live.com due to distribution, I guess. There are 10 droning months of threads here aboutwlmail vswinmail vs Outlook Express and whywinmail was deprecated and even hacks to resurrect it.Try the search-boxes above and see. Hmmm...standalone? Really? Try using wlmail.exe without a Hotmail, Live.com, or MSN email address. It never fails to amaze me how many people just assume things and then blather on about things they no nothing about.
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November 7th, 2009 5:43pm

After searching for the past few minutes, winmail.exe is not installed on my system (Win7 Ultimate X64). Of course I have not installed Live Mail either. I use ThunderBird. So I suspect it's related to the Live Mail installation. Anyone else? I have Windows 7 Professional x64 and winmail.exe is included. It has nothing to do with "not installing Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail is the default email "client" on Windows 7. It's installed in all versions of Windows 7. I find it odd that no one from Microsoft has commented on this thread - except to move it to a different location.
November 7th, 2009 5:45pm

Hi What makes you think that the client windows live mail is cloud based. winmail.exe is installed on windows 7 when you install windows live mail. If you look at the shortcut properties for windows live mail it points at winmail.exe. I have set up windows live mail as an email client with all the windows live stuff disabled on 3 of my accounts on my own domains. I have checked the connections after checking for mail ( using ipconfig /displaydns) and the only connections are to my pop accounts on the relavent email servers. I have sent test emails to myself and recieved them with no adverts at all. Windows live mail stores emails and data on the PC in my user profile. This to me is an email client but if you can tell me why you think differently then I like a challenge and will investigate. all the best malc. What makes you think that Windows Live Mail is anything other than cloud-based. Microsoft touts Windows Live Mail as an email program that lets you "Access your mail from anywhere". So if it's not cloud-based, are you saying that you can access your home PC's hard drive from anywhere via Windows Live Mail, or do you think, um maybe, the messages, accounts, etc. are synchronized between the cloud and your hard drive? You can add your ISP email accounts to Windows Live Mail too and "access them from anywhere". Google's Gmail has offered this feature for two years. You can also call Google OFFLINE an email program too. It is an "email program" just as much as Windows Live Mail is an email program. Windows Live Mail is nothing but a desktop interface for Live.com, Hotmail, MSN - with the added feature of being able to import your ISP and other Webmail accounts, making it even less secure. Microsoft saying they left Windows Mail out of Windows 7 because they were concerned about anti-trust considerations and making Windows 7 leaner and faster is risible. I think they finally figured out a way to monetize email. You can bet in the coming months you're going to see ads inserted into every email you send with it - even those sent with your ISP accounts like Charter.net, Comcast, RoadRunner and others. I've already seen it happen. Making money from email? Seems like Microsoft's stooping pretty low. Windows Live Mail - even if it were an email program, which is it not, wouldn't even be a good email program. Outlook Express and Windows Mail were better and more robust - even without the silly "calendar" feature that Windows Live Mail seems to think is so nifty. It looks like MS is counting on the majority of its Windows 7 users to keep using Windows Live Mail in spite of its flaws, its potential security ramifications, its lack of features, its continuing problems with data loss...it's more important that MS monetize email that giving the consumer what they want. Gee, it reminds me of another once huge and prosperous corporation - General Motors. GM's philosophy was to push what made the most profits and damn the consumer. No wonder Apple and Google are leaving Microsoft scrambling. It's stupid decisions like sticking Windows 7 users with nothing but a Web-based email "program" and figuring that the vast majority of Win7 users won't download a different email client. MS is right though, most won't, most will use Windows Live Mail and MS will make millions from inserting its advertisements, touting "Bing" and selling ads to 3rd-parties and making Win 7's users' emails - billboards for whatever MS can make a buck from. That's what I think. Time will prove me right. Windows Mail (Winmail.exe) was included in Windows 7 as a hedge against consumer outcry once people realize what Windows Live Mail really is, and what it really isn't.
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November 7th, 2009 6:00pm

Hiwindows live mail is not cloud based it is a program in the program filesdirectory on your computer. It stores your files in the user profile on your local computer. If you want it to it will also access the internet and recover mail from internet accounts. If you dont want it to it will not. If you dont want it to access online accounts and only access your pop accounts then that is what it will do.I personally only use pop accounts so windows live mail only access the pop server of my acounts.It will only access online accounts if you tell it to.Once again windows live mail exists as an email program on your hard drive not online.It has no more security problems that any other email programAs I have said when I pop my email the system only access my pop server and it does this from my machine not from any other ipaddress or an online IP address.I have not seen it do anything other than act as a normalemail program and believe me I am constantly checking my networkaccess as other posts regarding security on these forums will show.If you have evidence of windows live mail and wlmail.exe passing mail information to anywhere other than the pop or smtp server that contains your mail please let us know.If you are worried about security then dont use it Microsoft are not forcing you to.I think its great.malcps are you confusing this with windows live hotmail. Also the abillity to access your isp mail from anyhere is not new all ISP mail as the abillity to be accessed as webmail.. This is how your mobile phone does it. But if you dont instruct windows live mail to do it it wont.
November 7th, 2009 6:28pm

TiagaraHave a read of thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_MailThe first line statesFor the web-based e-mail service which was once called "Windows Live Mail", see Windows Live Hotmail. For the software included in Windows Vista, see Windows MailWindows Live Mail (formerly named Windows Live Mail DesktopDesktop being the operative wordmalc
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November 7th, 2009 7:13pm

To answer you question, no it is not true. Why would Microsoft need to include something in case..., they would simply provide an update if they felt it was needed in the future. IMHO.
November 7th, 2009 8:05pm

derosnecAs I have said italso works perfectly well with mine and I dont have a hotmail, live.com or MSN email address etiher.I think I have done enough to show that it is perfectly ok.If Tiagara dosnt like it then tiagara does not have to use it.I have decided not to continue on this thread it is now pointless as I think tiagara is confusing windows live mail with windows live hotmail.malc
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November 7th, 2009 9:36pm

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