IE9 Things of Interest to YOU...
I was really @ a bit of a loss as to where to put this but, some ppl will see it here so, better than naught. Just a way to take a look @ some stuff that's part(s) of IE9. Might be of interest to you. I've been running IE9 on a SP1 W7 vm for quite a while. This note is being done whilst I'm on said machine. http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/ And here is a Feature Overview http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/features Cheers, Drew Computer Issues always welcomes new clients. Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
November 9th, 2010 10:55pm

I have an observation to share that falls w/in this (thread) Heading: W/ IE8 occasionally IE8 will hit (Not Responding) & a Message Window that basically says IE has hit a problem & will shut down & a CLOSE button; the browser then goes away & does not return. The End User has to reopen it. I have noticed that upon the same scenario w/ IE9 upon clicking CLOSE, the browser windows does NOT go away; instead a tab labelled CONTINUE w/ a Windows logo appears & anon that tab turns into the site one had (that hit a problem)... it reloads itself. Needless to say, I like this Feature. "Tear Off" & Address Bar Search are funky things, too. There are a few others I like...just ask me. Which are your favs? Regards, Drew CI for IT! Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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November 19th, 2010 12:17am

The "Tear Off" feature of IE9 can be used rather handily, sometimes. The Address/Search (combo) Bar is quite ok, too. Putting/keeping sites or groups of sites (in a tabbed browser) on the Taskbar aides in oganization & lessens 'fussing about' reopening things. Speed & stability of W7, SP1 & IE9 all seem very good. Cheers, Drew CI for ITDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
December 14th, 2010 6:19am

Some other features worthy of examination are: Hitting the ALT key to bring up the Menu Bar, to select from the bookmarks contained in Favorites is one way make a selection. A review of these Favorites will invariably show a multitude of entries. These can often be split into two groupings - those used infrequently, and those used much more often. A suggestion: copy those frequently accessed sites into a new folder and then copy that folder into the Favorites Bar. This has the advantage of giving a drop down list of those entries for easy selection and has the benefit of offering the option of "opening in tabs" which means that all entries within that folder can be opened simultaneously. Extra folders can also be added if this concept accords with your new way of using IE9. Regards, Pat This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. | Please remember to click "Mark as Answer" on the post that helps you, and to click "Unmark as Answer" if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.
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December 14th, 2010 2:29pm

Pat, You make a good point about Alt... a quick, easy way to get the Menu Bar there only if & when it is wanted; although, IE8 has this same ability. And, remember Favorites can always be acccessed by hitting the STAR @ the top-right corner of the IE9 window.; different location from left side in IE8. Putting common interest sites into a folder in Favorites is smart but, again, not new to IE9. Also, there is a simpler, easier, way to accomplish this... > Open Favories list > Hit the scroll arrow beside Add to Favorites > Click on Organize Favories > In the window hit New Folder button > Name the (created) folder Now when you ADD (a site) to Favorites you can see all such (available) folders & put the site into whatever appropriate folder you want to use/choose. Cheers, Drew CI for IT Written in IE9, W7 SP1 vm Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
December 14th, 2010 10:18pm

Here's a couple of neat bits (no pun intended): Did you know... >> IE9 has tested to be 6x faster than IE8 (even on my 1Gig vm it is AT LEAST as fast as IE8 on the 4Gig Host machine) >> IE9 tests as the safest browser, too; check this out, http://www.geektown.ca/ >> When tab browsing the tabs can be moved laterally, changing the order, left to right, to whatever order you want; same as how icons can & could be arranged on the Taskbar? Cheers, Drew CI for IT Written in IE9, W7 SP1 vm Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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December 16th, 2010 12:22pm

This is quite ironic humour... earlier in this 'thread' someone mentioned a couple of things to me that I pointed out were not new to IE9. Silly & surprising but, I never knew Tabs could be moved about til I read about it in IE9 Features stated as something new & peculiar to IE9, LOL. Anyway, as for having 'colours' or a way that you see them better, I can't find or see a way to affect the Tabs specifically. You change various parts of the browser window w/ Options in terms of Themes & colours BUT, there is this about Tabs in IE9 Color-coded tabs Color-coded tabs make it easy to stay organized Having lots of tabs open at once can be overwhelming and time-consuming, especially when you try to go back and find websites you’ve opened. With Internet Explorer 9, tabs that are related are color coded, making it easier to stay organized while browsing multiple webpages. At a glance you’re able to see which tabs go together. When you open a new tab from another tab, the new one is placed next to the first tab and is color-coded to match. And when a tab is closed that’s part of a group, another tab from that group is displayed so you’re not left looking at an unrelated page. If you want to close a tab or the whole tab group, or remove a tab from a group, right-click the tab or tab group and choose what you want to do. From there you can also refresh one or all tabs, make a duplicate tab, open a new tab, reopen the last tab closed, or see a list of all recently closed tabs and reopen any or all of them. Cheers, Drew CI for ITDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
December 16th, 2010 9:38pm

Here’s how I made Pinning (sites to Taskbar) work in a valuable way for me. My Windows Live ID was originally based on a Hotmail.com address. Earlier this year I switched my personal E-mail address to Hotmail.ca. Fine but, as a Microsoft Partner & in regard to all my IT things (Connect, WWE, webcasts, in-person MS courses or other meetings, Windows 7 IT Pro Category Forum) the Windows Live ID was & continued to use the .com address. To stop having to be signing in & out for accessing sites of various sorts Pinning in IE9 provided a solution not available w/ IE8. (Refer back to “pinning of common-interest groups”) I can put all the IT/MS tech site together (tabbed browsing) signed in w/ my .com Windows Live ID, pin this & it stands as such. Then, w/ no conflict & no need to switch ID used to sign in, all other sites can be use & pinned if wanted keep completely separate from the MS partner ID sites. This concept, in principle, can be used/applied universally. IE9 is bloody brilliant. Consider this… I am running x86 IE9 on a 1 Gig W7 SP1 vm. IE9 there is @ least as fast & snappy as the x64 IE8 browser on the W7 x64 Host machine! Image the performance if it was actually on the 4Gig Host. Regards, Drew Computer Issues for your IT Solutions (Written on a W7 SP1 vm w/ IE9) Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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December 18th, 2010 9:14pm

Forgive me for repeating myself but... As we get ever so much closer to the release of a non-Beta IE9 I must say how strongly I see @ least 1 reason to be excited about IE9. Regardless of any other (cool) features & functionality, its speed is what seems so blatantly noticable. Sure I have looked @ comparative reports & charts pointing to its speed & suggesting it is better than other browsers awell & good. However, I have been running IE9 Beta on a 32-bit Windows 7 virtual machine w/ 1Gig of RAM for several months. I, also, have Windows 7 physical machines, both 32-bit and 64-bit, in the same box; these physical machines are running IE8. My deductions tend to be logic driven by my observations. Ergo, when I see IE9 (Beta) being as fast & snappy, if not even moreso, compared to IE8, even the 64-bit IE8 on the 64-bit OS w/ 4Gigs of RAM... it clearly suggests reason to look forward to IE9 for how quick it will be! And, from the onset, I have noticed the graphics are terrific... this, too, deserves all that has been said about this aspect (of IE9) and is another part that will be even more striking to see in a physical environment. (Hardware-accelerated rendering) Oh and here is 1 way I have found to make use of 'Ripping' sites out of a (tabbed) browser... this cannot be done w/ IE8. In 8, sure you can open another browser window & use Snap. But, let's say from your tabbed browser you come upon something w/ a site that prompts you to want to do some research or searching... so you open (another Tab) Bing, "Rip" it and look @ the results AND whatever related site you already had going, w/out tabbing back & forth and w/out having to open up another browser window. Certainly there are other times when it is handy & useful. Just one more thing IE9 has that IE8 doesn't. Point is, this & other things, like pinning sites, as I described in the previous entry on Dec. 18th, the value of how stuff in IE9 can be manifested is not necessarily obvious @ 1st. After a wee bit of time playing around in an IE9/Windows 7 combo the abilities one can discover & impliment become pretty darn funky. There is, in my opinion, lots to find enjoyable & worthwhile. Not long now and worth the wait. Cheers, Drew (Written on a W7 SP1 vm w/ IE9) CI for IT Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 10th, 2011 12:25pm

IE9 RC is out: 9.00.8080.16413 (WIN7_IE9_RC.110204-2115) The installer is now online based, because the download is smaller. You can now set the tabs under the address bar."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/
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February 10th, 2011 6:20pm

February 10, 2011 8:20 AM PST IE9 RC debuts with 'do not track' http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20031279-12.html?part=msn-cnet&subj=ns&tag=feedDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 10th, 2011 8:29pm

Official download: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/home?WT.mc_id=MSCOM_HP_US_F_113LMUS004274."192 GB ought to be enough for anybody." (from the miniseries "Next Generation's Jokes")
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February 10th, 2011 8:53pm

I must say it is very cool to see the IE9 Build Team, via Connect, did listen & take heed to criticisms & requests. 1 example, that many ppl will be glad to see, is the arrows missing from the Favorites List single sites are now there! YEA!! Regards,Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 10th, 2011 9:28pm

I hate to ask, becuse some of these items may label me as "old school", but is it possible to set up IE9 to work as follows: a) One session per window (no tabs)? b) With minimal "chrome" up top (e.g., with menus but no favorites bar)? c) As with IE8 so that sites other than in the "Trusted Sites" zone can be prevented from running active anything? Also, how does IE9 handle color management? Does it manage element colors as well as those in images for proper display per monitor calibration? One day soon I really need to try this thing out for myself in a VM. Thanks for posting the info! -Noel
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February 10th, 2011 10:37pm

Noel, Thanks for your questions. I will try to reply as best I can, @ the moment: a) One session per window (no tabs)? Tab ability will be there but, just open a (new) browser window for or w/ only the 1 site you want. Keep hitting the big blue 'E'... 1 (new) browser window for 1 website. Reminds me of clients I have had that thought they could only have 1 window/website open @ a time... just teasing, no offence meant. b) With minimal "chrome" up top (e.g., with menus but no favorites bar)? Yes. Right click on the wee 'gear' (top right) & select/enable whatever you want or don't want. c) As with IE8 so that sites other than in the "Trusted Sites" zone can be prevented from running active anything? I'm not sure how much thins comes into play considering the degree of Security Features in IE9, both on the surface & under the covers BUT, provisions w/in Internet Options still remain & settings there can still be tweaked by the End User in this regard. As for "colour management", honestly, I'm not quite sute what you are asking nor therefore what to say... However, I will say due to hardware-accelerated rendering the graphics w/ IE9 are simply amazing! Certainly try it on a VM or even on a physical, production machine. I ran the Beta for months on a VM & that now has the RC on it. But, I will, w/ no hesitation or reservations put IE9 RC on my W7 x86 machine. One cannot fully appreciate the graphical aspects of IE9 on a VM. I plan to leave my x64 W7 w/ IE8, for now, since the RC of IE9 is 32-bit only. Regarding my posting info, you're welcome, glad it is appreciated. I trust the above answers are ok for you. This is interesting, too; compares IE9 (Features) to other browsers, including IE7 & 8 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/compare-browsers Regards, Drew CI for ITDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 10th, 2011 11:15pm

I have just gone from IE9 Beta to IE9 RC which, was released today, 10/2/11. You can get it, also, by going to http://www.beautyoftheweb.com ENJOY!! Cheers, Drew PS: By the way, this is not for the old XP operating system. It is for Vista & Windows 7Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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February 11th, 2011 12:09am

Ok, 1st I went from IE9 Beta to IE9 RC on a vm. Now I have gone from IE8 to IE9 RC on my physical 32-bit Windows 7 machine... WOW! And to think I was impressed w/ IE9 on the vm. WOW is it ever FAST & the display, colours, brightness, sharpness, definition is really very noticable (better) & terrific! Kind of anxious to have it on my 64-bit Windows 7 someday in the near future. Any hype attached to IE9 is not undeserved or overstated, in my opinion. Cheers, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 11th, 2011 1:02am

Thanks. You pushed me over the edge to try it on one of my Windows 7 VMs... I'm happy that I no longer have to look at a favorites tab or a bunch of tool icons I never use. I'm happy that it seems faster. I'm happy that I can still have a menu bar. Call me old fashioned. Disabling Tabs gives me the one window per session look and feel I want. I'm able to disable virtually everything except from Trusted Sites. Some observations: I don't like having the search box and address bar all in one. Why aren't Window titles showing up in the title bar? Maybe there are things that can be set to restore the functionality of these things, I don't know. I'm probably missing a number of obvious things. -Noel
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February 11th, 2011 2:01am

Cool, Noel... no surprise you are finding a majority of appealing things. If you do not care for the Address/Search in one, here is a suggestion. Keep Bing as an available site... if you don't want the Favorites Bar, do it this way... 1. Pin Bing to the Taskbar OR 2. Assign Bing to the Favorites Bar, then uncheck Favorites Bar BUT, enable "Links" @ the bottom right of the Taskbar... Links will be whatever is assigned to the Favorites Bar, whether the FB is set to show or not. You can, also, use "Rip" & "Snap" to keep a Search window separated. And not to seen clueless but, tell me what "Title Bar" or where you want what "Windows Titles". Sure I know to what you speak just the term, not sure what you are wanting; please explain. Poke around, read the info pages {http://www.beautyoftheweb.com} & give yourself a wee bit of time mucking about & discovering... you will find lots of things, obvious & otherwise. Thanks. DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 11th, 2011 3:00am

The top border of any window in the Windows system is called the Title bar. Here are two screen grabs showing IE8 and IE9 on the same site (www.microsoft.com). See the difference? For a person who likes to keep multiple mostly overlapping windows open, and who uses the title bars to spot which one to bring to the front, the fact that this is missing is a big deal. Sure, I can pick them from the Taskbar, where the page title is indeed displayed. But that's not the point. It's not like that space has been saved! So why not at least offer the option to display the page title and app name up there? A poor choice by Microsoft. It's called a Title Bar for a reason! And while we're at it, what about the nice stuff that used to be in the status bar? Do they think people don't actually look at this stuff? You can disable the status bar entirely if you don't like it, so why turn off the stuff we like to see there? -Noel
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February 12th, 2011 12:56am

Hi Noel, I agree with your complaint on the status bar. Sometimes you want to see what a certain webpage is doing (loading that... running that...), and there's so much space to show it, currently wasted. Other wishes like a progress bar or the return of some status infos ("Protected mode on") are not so important to me. Something similar with the title bar. I don't miss the information there but it could be offered as an option. Why not? "192 GB ought to be enough for anybody." (from the miniseries "Next Generation's Jokes")
February 12th, 2011 3:30am

Another little observation: To post the previous reply here, I had to turn off "tracking protection" for this site, and to post in the Answers forum, I had to disable "ActiveX filtering". Let's hope that those tiny anomalies are only temporary, or IE surfing will transform into a science."192 GB ought to be enough for anybody." (from the miniseries "Next Generation's Jokes")
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February 12th, 2011 3:38am

Let me tackle the "Status Bar" 1st. This has been a huge bone of contention in Connect... many ppl whinging to the IE Build Team over the lack of a Status Bar or a Progress Bar. The 'space' is there, or can be, @ the bottom of the browser window but, when it is enabled there is nothing there except a "zoom Level" changer. Anyway, they seem to want to leave this out of the browser, no matter how strongly countless ppl gripped. Whether they will ultimately offer something along these lines in the final illiteration of the browser we really are not sure but, from what they have said so far I wouldn't hold my breath. We did get them to put the arrows back on the individual Favorites websites... they are (back) in the RC whilst, they were missing in the Beta. Now, as for the row of items you showed me w/ the differing screen shots (thank you very much, by the way, for those shots) go to the GEAR icon I mentioned @ the top-right corner, beside the Favorites Star... Rt Click on the GEAR & select Command Bar. Cheers, Drew Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 12th, 2011 7:13am

No no, I don't want the Command Bar. That's why it's missing from my IE9 capture. It is WONDERFUL that they've made it possible to eliminate said bar in IE9 now. -Noel
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February 12th, 2011 7:25am

Ooops, sorry, my error; BUT, now I do see to what you refer. Yes, that is no more & I know of no way to get it (back). I can only suggest the lack of it is in keeping w/ the effort & goal to deliver a 'cleaner' browser w/ less unnecessary clutter. Certainly some things felt to be disposable, some ppl will not want to lose. Personally, I feel w/ operating systems, browsers & many things in interfaces 2 things come into play: 1. Accepting/adjusting to change 2. The fact that it is impossible to please all ppl all the time. Things are subjective, ppl have opinions, pet peeves, 1 person likes 1 thing, the next doesn't care about that but, values something else. Myself, for example, obviously, I hadn't even noticed the title bar lacking... what doesn't bother em (one person) may concern another (you). And, in my opinion, I find the positives in IE9 far overshadow any negatives anyone may feel there are. Anyway, I'll shuddup now Cheers, Drew Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 12th, 2011 8:48am

btw. You can get the entire RC download instead of using the online loader. Visit http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/downloads/ie-9/worldwide-languages , select your choice, then right-click the Download button . Copy that link to the clipboard, then edit it (in notepad, or in your nav bar, wherever). The url following the href= is the full file. http://download.micr.....enu.exe The 64-bit download apparently contains both 32+64 bit. It's 37 MB, compared to the 32-bit download which is a mere 19 MB. I noticed this yesterday, too. This allows me to use /X to extract the Installer and get the CAB files for slipstreaming the IE9 into a Windows Image."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/
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February 12th, 2011 5:29pm

This will be worth persuing when I get back to the office. I have been sorry & frustrated about having to wait to put IE9 on my W7 x64...lovong it on my W7 x86 but, the install I have would not do the 32/64 needed for the X64 OS. Previously, reckoned I'd be waiting til the Final version was released to have it on my 64-bit Win7. Appreciate the info. Thanks, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 13th, 2011 4:13am

I wise man once said, "Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler." Microsoft should heed this. Make the UI rich and consistent, not sparse and useless. -Noel
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February 13th, 2011 5:00pm

I am happy to say, thanks to the link/site mentioned by 'derosnec', that I now have IE9 on my W7 64-bit (physical) machine, as well as on my W7 32-bit machine. Needless to say, I prefer using the x64 & was a bit frustrated thinking I had to wait (a while) to have it on there cus the 'beautyoftheweb' site only had or offered the x86 version. Now, people in the 'thread' are giving opinions which, is super and I am going to be bold enough to give mine... I ran IE9 Beta since 1st available and reported, along w/ others, to the IE9 Build Team via Microsoft Connect. Things (there) were being criticised, discussed, analyzed, requested and praised. Some things liked, some things, not so much; some things felt to be missing or thin some people wanted added or changed. With many things, what one person likes, another does not. But, there was an effort to make this new generation of browser (IE9) fast, secure, clean, uncluttered and user friendly. So here is the (my) opinion part. After working w/ it for quite a while, picking @ it, 'dissecting' it, finding fault w/ it, comparing it, extensively reading reports and outside testing, I will say or suggest this... There is a tendency to look for or find negatives in (new) things whilst missing the positives. The immense good in IE9, both superficial & under-the-covers far overshadows any subjective details. What IE9 does, can do & how well it manages & accomplishes things is admirable. Safe browsing, speed, some funky Features, its strength regarding Java, the graphics due to hardware-accelerated rendering, et al ( and there is lots more ) all contribute to make this probably the finest browser available. I feel the 'big picture' is what is important and if one approaches IE9 in that light it is hard not to appreciate its virtues & quality and to, maybe, come to like & respect it. Certainly, "each to their own", "can't please everyone" and "old dogs/new tricks "but, for me & likely, now or in time, many others, see IE9, overall, as a fine piece of work. I emphasize the above is an opinion not, an argument. Regards, Drew Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 14th, 2011 7:16pm

I have to say overall I give it a 9 out of 10, and I think it's a great improvement over IE8. I'm still testing its color management capabilities, and I'm sure workarounds to my nits will present themselves sooner or later to take it the rest of the way to a perfect 10. Maybe I'll even write one. :) Any idea when the release of IE9 is supposed to occur? As a rule I'm willing to run beta software for testing in VMs, but I'd prefer not to upgrade my main desktop until the actual release build is available. -Noel
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February 14th, 2011 7:48pm

A good opportunity for an IE launch would be the MIX conference for web developers, April 12-14th (http://www.microsoft.com/events/mix/). "There’s no better place to hear about the future of Silverlight, Internet Explorer, Windows Phone, ASP.NET, and technologies like HTML5 and CSS3." "192 GB ought to be enough for anybody." (from the miniseries "Next Generation's Jokes")
February 14th, 2011 8:22pm

Noel, 1st, I fully agree about Betas on or NOT on production machines. When it was Beta IE9 I only put it on a vm. I am, however, content to have the RC on a physical machine. 2nd, I have not been able to get an exact release date for what I'll call a GA. But, it will be Q1 of 2011 or very soon. Now that the RC has been offered, the 'GA' will not be far behind. The suggestion by 'sanmartin' may well have some merit; I have previously suggested a personal thought that SP1 & IE9 would not be far apart timewise. I have some contacts w/in Microsoft from whom I am still trying to pin down THE date. If & when I do come up w/ something specific, I'll make it known. 3rd, yes, it's a great improvement over IE8 & in that same light I'll, again, offer this... This is interesting, too; compares IE9 (Features) to other browsers, including IE7 & 8 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/compare-browsers I wish I could, aslo, insert some of the independant speed test/comparision test results I've seen; they, dramatically, show IE9 well ahead of the rest. Cheers, Drew Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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February 14th, 2011 9:07pm

Previously I mentioned about the speed of IE9 Beta on a 1Gig x86 VM vs IE8 on a 64-bit 4Gig physical machine. Here is a little 'story' you may find interesting. In the city I use Shaw Extreme & a 64-bit 4Gig machine running Windows 7 w/ IE9... things are fast. I work @ a stable outside the city on weekends. Nothing like cable is available there rather the internet is a wireless signal from a tower in the vicinity. When I took my laptop out there I expected things to be somewhat slow compared to in town and they were. However, this laptop, running Vista w/ 1Gig of RAM, initially had IE 8... upon using it @ the same location, out @ the stable, BUT, now w/ IE 9, I really don't do much 'waiting' (for things) anymore; the increase in speed due to having IE9 instead is that much better & that noticable. Quite impressive IE 9 is! Cheers, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 23rd, 2011 4:22pm

is loading of XML files slow for you or fast? IE9 Beta rendert a white screen, IE9 RC displays the XML, but with 100% CPU usage and the IE9 freezes."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/
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February 23rd, 2011 6:22pm

Andre, Honestly, thusfar, I have not found anything that slows or impedes the functionality or performance w/ IE9; certainly nothing has made it freeze or driven CPU usage up high.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 23rd, 2011 7:33pm

get a larger XML file 2-4MB and open it with IE9 and IE8. IE8 is thousand times faster."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/
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February 24th, 2011 1:45am

Duely noted.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
February 24th, 2011 5:29am

Just felt like saying... the more I use IE9, the longer I am w/ it, the more my enthusiasm & respect for it grows. Regardless of how others may feel I find myself really enjoying how it works & what it can do & how well. Very fast, stable and the abilities when in consort w/ Win7 are very cool and becoming increasingly handy, appealing & appreciated as time passes. 1 thing proving to be useful & getting used quite a lot is the "Tear Off" function. Since the RC I have left IE8 taillights & dust. There is 1 thing about it I believe to be ridiculous... having the same Right Click menu attached to the GEAR AND the STAR. It being w/ the GEAR is fine & makes sense. Having it redundantly w/ the (Favorites) STAR makes NO sense...having it there & having it BOTH places is just plain silly, in my humble opinion. I voiced the same to the IE Build Team via Connect who responded by saying "It's by design"; well the design is flawed & I responded by saying, "Just cus it's "by design" doesn't make it right or my point any less valid". Personally, I have no qualms or hesitation or reservations about heartily recommending IE9 to anyone, clients or otherwise. And this includes recommending it over other browsers. Happy Clicking, Drew CI for IT Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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March 1st, 2011 12:11pm

have you tried loading a larger XML file?"A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/
March 1st, 2011 5:40pm

I believe you referenced this, pointed it out, already, earlier in this thread, if I recall correctly. But, good, in case anyone had missed it, previously. Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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March 2nd, 2011 6:28am

Did I mention I am REALLY keen on IE9?; very impressed. I have been enthusiastically turning people on to it. That's it :) Cheers, Drew CI for ITDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
March 8th, 2011 8:48pm

I have high hopes for IE9 changing the web color-management landscape. I think it will have been the last straw... Up to now the strategy, knowing IE 8 and earlier ignore color profiles in images, has been to prepare web images using the sRGB profile, then either publish them with an embedded sRGB profile tag (or perhaps even with no profile), since these things will give the most consistent results across the most browsers. Now (once IE9 is released), one wonders whether publishing web images in the Adobe RGB color space might be the better approach moving forward, rather than producing sRGB or even untagged images. Adobe RGB will feed most modern wide gamut monitors all the colors they can show accurately, and at the same time it doesn't make quantization problems (seen as posterization in smooth areas) too much more noticeable. Again I say BRAVO! to Microsoft for finally getting on the color-management bus in their browser! -Noel
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March 8th, 2011 9:40pm

this is the new DirectWrite/Direct2D rendering. I hate it, too."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" Want to install RSAT on Windows 7 Sp1? Check my HowTo: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=150221
March 9th, 2011 12:53am

Derosnec, the magnified examples you showed appear to portray the difference between ClearType and some other form of font smoothing. I don't see what you're seeing on IE9... They're definitely different, but from where I sit the font is if anything actually easier to read on the answers.microsoft.com site in IE9 than in IE8. Have you tried tuning cleartype? Click Start and type in cleartype, then when Adjust ClearType Text comes up, click it. Caveat: I'm viewing IE9 in a VMware virtual machine. The video driver is pretty sophisticated, but I wouldn't bet it's providing the same services a real driver would. I will update my main workstation only when IE9 actually releases. I'm looking forward to that. -Noel
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March 9th, 2011 2:52am

I have to agree, there's definitely a difference. However, with particular ClearType settings I'd say the two aren't too far off in readability. By the way, I have 100 ppi monitors; the pixel density of the display may make a difference. On fooling with ClearType I noticed that the IE9 algorithms seem much more sensitive to ClearType settings changes. I was able to make the Answers forum text look pretty horrible by choosing some extreme ClearType settings. Normally such changes don't affect readability nearly as much. It's almost as if with IE9 there's no attempt to place each letter on an even pixel boundary. Was there a need to reinvent font handling for some reason? -Noel
March 9th, 2011 11:28pm

Here's a comparison that more closely models yours: Depending on what you like, the IE9 RC text may actually have a very slight edge in readability, though the color effects seem a little too strong. I call it pretty much a wash at 100% original size. -Noel
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March 9th, 2011 11:39pm

There are no significant JPEG artifacts in my image. And our two images differ quite a bit in that your IE9 version has virtually no coloring. Actually, I perceive the IE9 font as being more consistently spaced, if anything. Note the way the 'd' and 'i' seem too close together in the word "edit" in IE8, where they're more evenly spaced in IE9. I suspect the IE8 rendition places each character in a way that's aligned with the pixels, where the IE9 method seems to be plotting them in a fashion where there is no particular pixel alignment per character. There are clearly differences between different 'e' characters, for example. Perhaps we're seeing the difference between optimizing for CPU and GPU operations. Regarding the additional coloration... It's possible I haven't quite got the ClearType tuning just right yet, but I'm with you - I dislike CA / color fringing. I'll fool with that some. -Noel
March 10th, 2011 2:20am

Just FYI: Official release date announced. "On Monday March 14th we will celebrate the developers and designers who are making a more beautiful web for all of us. We will release the final version of Internet Explorer 9 for download beginning at 9 p.m. Pacific." (http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2011/03/09/a-more-beautiful-web-launches-on-march-14th.aspx)"192 GB ought to be enough for anybody." (from the miniseries "Next Generation's Jokes")
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March 10th, 2011 12:45pm

And so the countdown begins... Guess we all knew, following the RC, it would not be long. Still nice to, actually, have an actual date. Thanks, sanmartin for the info. Cheers, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
March 10th, 2011 2:20pm

It seems I may have sung the praises of IE9 a bit too soon, re Color Management. It interprets the color profile in published images, but it completely ignores the profile of the monitor and assumes it's sRGB! I didn't discover this before, because I run an sRGB reference system, and actually use the sRGB profile for my monitors. http://blog.harald-muehlhoff.de/post/2011/02/12/Microsoft-Internet-Explorer-9-Release-Candidate-still-doesnt-properly-support-color-management.aspx Even Windows Photo Viewer knows how to do this right. Why would the IE9 team ignore this important aspect of color-management? Is it because they didn't want to tackle color management of the elements within the web pages as well as the images? -Noel
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March 12th, 2011 8:17pm

T minus 8 hrs... The final version of Internet Explorer 9 will be available beginning 9PM PT on March 14th. T minus 1 Hour Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
March 14th, 2011 10:53pm

Well, it's installed and looking good. It wanted to shut down a bunch of stuff or reboot , so I chose the latter. No problems whatsoever on my Windows 7 x64 system. -Noel
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March 15th, 2011 8:05am

Editing has always been hit or miss here, even with IE8. I agree there are some rough edges, but it's a .0 release. I don't like that the page title is gone utterly when tabs are turned off, and color-management is only half implemented. Microsoft acknowledged these things when I submitted my feedback, but the development and test pipeline is long. Regarding the changes in the way it works, well, clearly Marketing people have been involved, and they've changed the UI. You either roll with the waves or you go down to meet the coral reef. Hey, "other" browsers have steadily been taking market share away from IE. What did you expect them to do? -Noel
March 15th, 2011 3:49pm

Well, I started this thread or opened this can of worms, depending on how 1 cares to see it so, I will say something. But, 1st, I'll insert the following excerpt from my MSDN newsletter & written by its Editor... Since the initial unveiling of IE9, the team has released a total of eight Platform Previews, a Beta, and a Release Candidate. This release cadence reflected the team’s commitment to providing you with early access and to incorporate your feedback during development. The end result is a browser that’s fast, clean, trusted and interoperable. What’s amazing about IE9 is the work that’s been done around performance. The IE team has done an incredible job ensuring that your sites run super-fast. This is achieved through full hardware acceleration of graphics (like SVG and HTML5 canvas) and text. There’s also a new JavaScript engine in IE9 that interprets, compiles, and executes code in parallel and takes advantage of multiple CPU cores, when available. By leveraging the power of the whole PC, IE9 enables you to build a new class of web experiences that feel like native applications. IE9 provides rich, interoperable capabilities for web developers. With broad support for site-ready HTML5, CSS3, SVG, WOFF, ECMAScript 5, geo-location, and more, IE9 ensures that web developers can build applications with the same mark-up that works across browsers. And when things don’t work exactly as planned, we have an updated set of powerful developer tools to provide you with the information you need to trace a problem to its source. Now, on w/ my comments, feelings, observations & opinions...all subjective & personal: I am impressed w/ IE9. I like its Features & functionality, speed, cleanliness, graphic handling, safety & security and the amount of personal choices available i.e. what can be seen or enabled or not. Maybe what I do & or expect is different than others; maybe my positive view to IE9 is the exception (to the majority) but, somehow I doubt that. Maybe it's the particular way I have things set up, colours I use or whatever but, I find no problem seeing things. Sometimes editing these threads has been 'sticky', even when was IE8. Frankly, I'm really not missing or caring about the lack of a status or progress bar. I do, still, think it absolutely silly & senseless that the same Rt-Click menu is attached to BOTH the (Favorites) Star & the Gear. As for this statement, "But it's definitely still not as good as IE8.", there is no way I can agree w/ it. Hands down 9 is faster, cleaner, safer & more secure and offering better performance that IE8. This brings me, nicely, to my next point... 1st, there oft seems to be a real tendency to arbitarily bash new products from Microsoft but, w/out dwelling on that, mostly it stikes me as another 'old dogs-new tricks' thing, again. I recall when XP arrived people clining to 98 or other prior OSs cus they were better or they liked them better (w/out trying the new) or they were used to them or stuff didn't run on XP; new versions of Office come & people bash 'Ribbon Technology'; I heard the same sort of things when other new IEs came along and in regard to Windows 7 (in spite of XP Mode, too). I could cite many examples of this phenomenon, over the years, w/ people vs. evolving technologies. Certainly, there are & will be differences in old & new things yet, in spite of that, there IS improvement in the new compared to the old. I've said it before & I'll repeated it... "Get over/past it and get used/adapt to it", whatever the old & new IT its are. Myself, I, of course, used IE8 (which was better than 7 & 6, etc). I have tested IE9, from the onset, learned it & come to make it work for me such that my daily computing experience is even nicer, more pleasant & relaxed, efficient & 'User Friendly' than it ever was. Finally, aside from my individual take on things, on many levels & for many reasons, this browser, IE9, is an outstanding item from Microsoft and, at least currently, the best browser available. Thanks, Drew CI for ITDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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March 15th, 2011 9:04pm

I switched to IE8 mode and it is b&w. I just had to make sure. Jeeeeez. If that's the case, your ClearType is not working properly in IE8 mode. That's how ClearType works, by mixing opposing colors at the microscopic level in the LCD. You know you can tune that, right? Just select one of the rightmost blocks in screen 3 of the ClearType Text Tuner. That said, the ClearType colors seem a bit strong in IE9 as compared to its predecessor. Personally, I'm tickled to finally be able to rid the browser window of the extra chrome I never liked anyway. IE9 has taken steps in the right direction. -Noel
March 15th, 2011 9:30pm

I have never had cause to tinker with any ClearType settings ever. Not with IE8 or IE7, or Win7 or Vista. If you're seeing colors splotched on all your text screens, then I think you've adjusted your settings out-of-whack. You think wrong. You've either somehow deconfigured the colors, your GDI setup is broken, or you just never noticed the colors in other apps. You might even have a display driver bug. And before you accuse me of having something out of whack, let us not forget who's complaining and who says their display looks good. On my displays, the colors are not splotched all over. The text looks fine at 100% original size, nice and smooth and fully formed. Normally the colors are SUPPOSED to be there microscopically. You're not seeing them in some of your screen grabs because of something unique about YOUR system! Go look up how ClearType works if you don't believe me. IE9 seems to have turned the color up a little, as compared to other apps. But not a whole lot. The text in IE9 looks very nice if you have your system set up properly. It might even be an improvement from where I sit. Listen carefully: If you're seeing colors you don't like, you NEED to run the ClearType Tuner. Click Start, and type ClearType in the box to get started. -Noel
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March 15th, 2011 10:39pm

As so often in the past derosnec, your attitude distorts the appearance of other peoples views & motivations & misses their points & cleverly attempts to kill the value & validity of what they are saying & expressing. Your words, often, though, obviously chosen carefully border on being rude, nasty & insulting... and is likely why much of your stuff gets removed & why there have been efforts in the past to ban you from this Forum. I do far more w/ a browser & browsing than what you are suggesting in an effort to diminish the merit of my comments. I allowed for subjectivity & various people's perspectives, configurations & usage. Nothing from me is or was a sales pitch for MS, nor have I ever been slow to lay critism, fault or blame of them when it is deserving or appropriate. MY wording was purposely tactful & diplomatic. As opposed to someone being harsh, judgement, demeaning & acting 'holier-than-thou towards intelligent IT people & meaningful End Users. Basically telling folks they have stuff all wrong, don't know what they are doing, that they are not reading or looking @ things or accusing & condemming... 'people' & (good) communication skills are important, even in a forum. It's sad but, your behaving like you seem to think you are god's IT gift to the Earth. It irritates people & vastly weakens your case & credibility. Being confrontational & authoritarian does not sit well w/ most humans. Your aggressive arguing does not jibe w/ the pleasant debate/discussion others here intend or conduct. & by the way, you are %100 out to lunch suggesting I am deluded or "lying to myself" nor was I being "defensive". Best, until you get banned from here again, you do not direct any futher comments or discussion @ me. It is probably getting close to people like Noel & I filing reports against you & requesting you be banned from this Forum, again. Might be cool to stop trying to push it. Lastly, you were told twice that these threads sometimes lost their 'toolbuttons' even before IE9. Ironically, might be YOUR listening that is "out -of-whack". Thanks, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
March 15th, 2011 11:38pm

I was saying nothing about colour. That was Noel to whom you were giving grief about that topic. I try to avoid discussions w/ you. Endured enough from you months ago. It should come as no surprise if your wording gets misunderstood or misconstrued... might just be due to something about how you say things & how you speak to people & I sure don't mean just me. Seems to 'push buttons' in many folks, you style does. Maybe you just should take note of how you impact on others.... just maybe. Now keep your word & drop your participating in this thread. Thanks, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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March 16th, 2011 12:43am

Drew, you have no right to tell me to go away. he has his troll day. He also trolled agisnt me in a different topic. He thinks he knows everything better and don't need to provide facts. he claim something and things that only he is right. Ignore him in the future and don't reply to this topic any longer."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" Want to install RSAT on Windows 7 Sp1? Check my HowTo: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=150221
March 16th, 2011 1:13am

1, I don't kwon why I'm dignifying this w/ a reply. 2. I did not tell you to go away, I merely suggested you keep your word since it was YOU who said you were going to stop bothering w/ this thread & your bickering w/ Noel. 3. you were already told, @ least once, that I was not being "defensive" towards IE9... you distorted THAT (too). I just know I am keen & anxious to move on from exchanges w/ 'derosnec', as likely Noel & others are, as well. Just want to get back to enjoyable talk about IE9 & related issues. Not interested in tiring, stressful space taken up w/ other stuff. That's not the aim of this Forum. If you won't stop, as YOU said (to Noel) you would, then I'll have to be done w/ the very thread I actually initiated. Sincerely, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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March 16th, 2011 1:15am

Right on the heels of IE9... As many may (already) know, Firefox is now offering version 4.0 of its broser. It is impossible not to notice & downright uncanny the degree to which it copies or apes IE9; this is both in appearance, style AND features & funtionality. Even its explanation category boxes (for/about the NEW version) toute basically the same benefits & improved ares, as IE9. Just was a 'double-take-moment' seeing the (very) 'copy-cat', 1st impression that seemed quite blatant. Coincidence?? Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
March 24th, 2011 11:19pm

Hi Noel Derosnec has a point because I have the same problem with color splotches in the text of the "MS Answer" pages. I went back to IE8 in order to make sure that I am not halucinating : no splotches in IE8 I returned to my IE9 installation and yep : color splotches again I do however NOT have them here on the technet forum.
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March 25th, 2011 6:28pm

Who copied who ? I am going to install it later today but I already saw that the Firefox UI is more complete than the IE9 UI ! - If Firefox 4 copied IE9 then they added quite some nice stuff to the UI - IF IE9 copied Firefox then they killed quite some goodies in the UI Just my 2cts If Firefox 4 doesn't produce color splotches where they are not supposed to be, then I might very well become (finally) my browser of choice.
March 25th, 2011 6:34pm

I have no colour splotches. I do, also, use FF occasionally, for some things BUT, IE 'harmonizes' (best) w/ Windows 7. And there's a few other reasons why IE will remain my primary (default) browser. As always it can be a very subjective concern. Cheers, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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March 26th, 2011 5:36am

(Click the balloon) Here are updated comparisons, from earlier in this thread. (Snapshots from the Answers forum). Here's a snippet from Answers forum just now, after the update. Both are from IE9. The top is with IE8 mode (F12 Developer Tools). The bottom is normal IE9. Here's my impression. After this update, the Answers site b&w text is notably more uniform in terms of character thickness. That's when viewed from a normal distance. But a little fuzzier. On the other hand, this TechNet site b&w text, right here on this page, yikes. It's much harder for me to read. It's like, not as dark or something. Hazy. Many characters are light grey, not black. The color background text from Answers definitely is better in IE8 mode. Much sharper. The yellow-background IE9 text makes me feel like I need new glasses. Really. Even when I take them off. Which I often do for a closeup view, because I'm nearsighted. Now, it doesn't help. It just makes it more apparent. I don't know, guys. I see you made an effort and I'm grateful. But, um...
June 29th, 2011 12:47pm

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June 29th, 2011 12:47pm

I put the appropriate Updates in although, for me, have never had any text display issues. Maybe I'm just a lucky exception. Anyway, thanks for such an 'in-depth' contribution regarding this matter.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
June 29th, 2011 10:36pm

The normal post text here - especially when compared with the font used in the text editor, does seem a bit light, but the real difficulty in readability is that it's quite small. For what it's worth, I'm not having any trouble reading it though. A careful run through the ClearType Tuner might be the difference between good, readable text and not so much... -Noel
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June 29th, 2011 10:45pm

Good point & explains why mine has been dark enough since, had used Clear Type Tuners (so) long ago. & yes, it is a wee bit light, here, though legible, @ the default. DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
June 30th, 2011 3:07am

Sorry. I was totally wrong about the effect to this TechNet page. There was absolutely no change from this update. This is a 300% magnified before+after sample of a couple of words from a TechNet post. (Click it for a larger sample). The post it came from had a good mix of normal, bold, italic text. I can find no differences anywhere between the two. They are pixel-for-pixel identical. You can tell by the colors. On the other hand, compare the earlier shots we discussed, and the color mix is very apparently different from one sample to the next. I guess I've been using Vista+IE8 lately, and my eyes were shocked to come back here to TechNet with Win7+IE9. Hazy. Easy to see why. Hardly any black. Are these TechNet fonts supposed to be black? Maybe they really are grey. Hmmmph. Here's the phrase pixel-for-pixel from my paragraphs directly above. Do you guys also see the letters i and l are faded? In this 300% closeup, the reason why is obvious. There's no black in there. No wonder it looks hazy. Oh well. I'm just obsessing. Nevermind me. Besides. When consumer monitors start shipping in quantity with a standard 300 DPI, it'll be a non-issue. Heck, I think my cellphone screen is 1000 DPI. So, it won't be long before computer screens catch up. We'll just have to put up with this in the meantime.
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June 30th, 2011 8:20am

Oh well, I'm just (still) glad I can make things out & read them (clearly)... never mind, me, either.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
June 30th, 2011 8:56am

I was still editing. I wasn't done obsessing yet. : )
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June 30th, 2011 9:00am

Ah, must feel much better, now, then, eh? ;)Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
June 30th, 2011 8:01pm

Besides. When consumer monitors start shipping in quantity with a standard 300 DPI, it'll be a non-issue. Heck, I think my cellphone screen is 1000 DPI. So, it won't be long before computer screens catch up. We'll just have to put up with this in the meantime. That would be nice. I think higher pixel densities on large displays would be good, to where the limitations of the monitor don't significantly affect the workflow. For example, when I'm photo editing, I have several tricks (e.g., viewing images at 50% to get a feel for how they'll look when printed). However, keep in mind that some applications don't follow UI guidelines (e.g., Photoshop itself) and could end up irritatingly hard to read. We're seeing modern monitors with wide color gamuts, and some are also starting to push the resolution up a little as well - e.g., the Dell U2711 at 109 ppi. But specialty monitors like the IBM T221 at 204 ppi or Viewsonic VP2290B have come and gone... A shame. There's nothing like that available now that I can see. -Noel
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June 30th, 2011 9:29pm

I would live to have 300 DPI for my desktop screen. That would require a big change though in applications with the need for larger icons and the like.My MVP is for the Windows Desktop Experience, i.e. Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 IT Remote Assistance is available for a fee. Visit my IT site for information. I am best with C++ and I am learning C# using Visual Studio 2010. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
June 30th, 2011 10:59pm

May not be noticing this issue due to having a high res monitor.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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June 30th, 2011 11:04pm

Just thought I would append Noel's recent screenshots here. His web-page text is obviously blurry, compared to his foreground text shot. Well, I only have a 100 DPI monitor. And a 117 DPI one too.
July 13th, 2011 11:54pm

Well, this (thread) started out being about IE9 from the time I began testing the Beta version. It certainly has become an effort that seems to be getting belaboured on a, pretty much, completely different topic, ie this DPI & funny, fuzzy (or not) text thing. I wonder if it is still of interest to a wide-ranging, large number of people. Oh well, I guess threads can weave all over the place (pun intended).Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 14th, 2011 6:49am

Of course this thread is still of interest to a wide-ranging, large number of people. Notice from that foreground image (above), Noel is also having problems with IE9 hanging. When he's not running FireFox, that is. Speaking of fuzzy, did you know FireFox does subpixel rendering too, just like IE9? The copycats. (click for full size) Look how elegantly Noel has resolved these perceived IE9 deficiencies, with use of 3rd party addons: Title Bar in caption area Separate search box Internet Zones on status bar You can't help notice the conspicuous absence of any Tabs. Perhaps they are too dark and transparent to be useful to him. That might be one reason he hasn't had much nice to say about pinning them to the TaskBar. Or other customary handy tips.
July 14th, 2011 8:27am

Drew, long-running heckling by an individual who thinks he knows better than others, who doesn't understand how things really work outside his little realm, and who seems to want to be confrontational above all else has killed the interest in this thread. It's too bad, really. Note, by the way, that the images shown just above are taken out of context and are not as I presented them. All in all, outside a few design quirks that can be remedied, I am finding IE9 to be the best browser ever - as compared to all prior versions of IE and all other browsers. I hope Microsoft continues the trend of improvement, considers making future versions more flexible with regard to setting up the layout, and 3rd party developers continue making good tools that augment its functionality. -Noel
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July 15th, 2011 9:53am

Drew, long-running heckling by an individual who thinks he knows better than others, who doesn't want to understand how things work, and who seems to want to be confrontational above all else has killed the interest in this thread. It's too bad, really. Note, by the way, that the images shown just above are taken out of context and are not as I presented them. All in all, outside a few design quirks that can be remedied, I am finding IE9 to be the best browser ever - as compared to all prior versions of IE and all other browsers. I hope Microsoft continues the trend of improvement, considers making future versions more flexible with regard to setting up the layout, and 3rd party developers continue making good tools that augment its functionality. -Noel
July 15th, 2011 10:07am

Irrelevant. -Noel
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July 15th, 2011 10:22am

Irrelevant. -Noel
July 15th, 2011 10:25am

You 2 are reminding me of nasty, name-calling, school-yard bickering of little kids... with all your name-calling & bashing of (other) people & companies. Carrying on arguing, have fun, I'm out of this one. Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 15th, 2011 12:07pm

You 2 are reminding me of nasty, name-calling, school-yard bickering of little kids... with all your name-calling & bashing of (other) people & companies. Two? Right on the heels of IE9... As many may (already) know, Firefox is now offering version 4.0 of its broser. It is impossible not to notice & downright uncanny the degree to which it copies or apes IE9; this is both in appearance, style AND features & funtionality. Even its explanation category boxes (for/about the NEW version) toute basically the same benefits & improved ares, as IE9. Just was a 'double-take-moment' seeing the (very) 'copy-cat', 1st impression that seemed quite blatant. Coincidence?? Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com Two? I sure hope your remark about name-calling and bashing had nothing to do with my calling FireFox a copy-cat. For copying IE9's fuzzy text. giggle. Don't forget, Drew. It was you who introduced that term Copy-Cat earlier in this very thread. But you weren't making a joke. You see, Drew, what you and Noel object to about me so much, is that, I echo your words. And you feel ashamed of them. Two? Yes Drew. There are two in this thread.
July 15th, 2011 12:30pm

Reminder... Carrying on, have fun, I'm out of this one.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 15th, 2011 1:58pm

I'm sorry I got drawn in by him, Drew, and that it polluted your thread. That won't happen again. I don't appreciate being lumped in with the likes of someone who's chosen a screen name because of having been moderated a lot. Regarding name-calling, I'll continue to do that as I please, thank you. Some of the things Microsoft does indeed are stupid - such as combining a search box with an address box, or eliminating things people actually use from the status bar. It's just good that Microsoft has provided Add-On interfaces with which 3rd party developers can expand/correct the browser's functionality, and that people like Ivo Beltchev (ClassicShell) and Viktor Krammer (Quero) are willing to donate their time and effort to create Add-Ons to work around the shortcomings. -Noel
July 15th, 2011 2:25pm

Fair enough, Noel. Long ago, I unwittingly committed the same error (in judgement) & would 'debate' w/ him, which would degenertate rapidly & I would realise & withdraw. I agree w/ you... he has been reported or complained about often & @ 1 point was banned but, yet, as you point out, somehow he's still here. Now I just try to be tactful & diplomatic & try not to let him aggrivate me too much. ThanksDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 15th, 2011 8:49pm

Well Drew. I think maybe your tactfully diplomatic colleague has gotten himself contaminated with malware. It's exactly the uncertainty of cases like this which cause me to use UAC and avoid 3rd party addons. It's also the reason I'm skeptical of outspoken opinions announced by self-proclaimed forum experts. Two?
July 18th, 2011 3:39pm

Windows 7 x64 has a 32-bit IE9 and a 64-bit IE9. Here, we've long been grumbling about no Adobe for 64-bit.... Try this, seems to work quite nicely, from all I can tell so far, w/ almost all/any sites... there are a few exceptions... for example, Silverlight is x86 only. But, now, not much need or reason to use a 32-bit browser, anymore, now. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html Cheers,Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 19th, 2011 4:34am

...Adobe for 64-bit.... ...not much need or reason to use a 32-bit browser, anymore, now... It's good to see Adobe moving into the future, though not having Flash on my 64 bit browswer could have been considered a desirable feature in some lights... ;) It does say that 64 bit computing has well arrived. -Noel
July 19th, 2011 8:26am

Lots of shops have been slow to move to x64 but being smaller shop I have long ago move everthing over Not sure what the problem is with flash. Probably some bad coding techniques in use Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
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July 19th, 2011 9:14am

If you write good code using proper data types, it really is just a matter of recompiling as x64. Microsoft even kept the "32" even where it's not now accurate to prevent the need to make the code that uses those functions/features/libraries different. Improving an installer to deliver 32 or 32+64 bit products into the right places is a bit of a challenge, but not THAT much. But it may not have been a purely technical issue... Big companies may not have wanted to take on the additional cost of managing separate 32 and 64 bit customer products until the user base was very large... Now that the 64 bit OSs have reached wide acceptance, the architecture is just hard for them to ignore. Think about it... For new hardware there's virtually no worry about getting drivers any more. -Noel
July 19th, 2011 9:31am

For me it was good to see Adobe moving towards getting 'caught up' w/ the burgeoning future... indeed, 'soon', 32-bit will be nothing but, history, a mere computing memory ('cuse the pun).Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 20th, 2011 2:17pm

I recently upgraded my netbook from 1 GB to 2 GB which is all the Atom N450 can see (deficient in my opinion). Better if it could go much higher. The machine came with Windows 7 starter which is 32-bit only. The N450 has 64-bit capacity but with 2 GB of memory its not going to be very fast with 64-bit Windows. Due to the 32-bit OS on my netbook I am stuck to use 32-bit software. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 20th, 2011 2:55pm

The N450 has 64-bit capacity but with 2 GB of memory its not going to be very fast with 64-bit Windows. I don't know anything about the Atoms... But why do you say that? Is the 64 bit instruction set much slower on that processor? With high-end Intel Pentium processors (e.g., Xeons) the 64 bit instructions work out to be about 10% or so faster for implementing the same algorithms, as compared to the 32 bit instructions. This is based on my experience developing graphics software. -Noel
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July 20th, 2011 4:44pm

The Atom is Intel's new mobile processor. The N450 in my netbook is one of the series. The N450 runs at 1.66 GHz so its not very quick. It supports x64 and it features hyperthreading. The N450 needs only 5.5 W of power so my netbook can run for many hours on a small battery. The CPU has integrated memory controller and graphics all on the one die. The N450 uses DDR2 memory and its limited to a single stick up to 2 GB which what I have in it now. With 2 GB of RAM, I am better off with a 32-bit OS. I cannot put a larger stick in the machine, does not work, tried one already. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 20th, 2011 5:48pm

Although, it is true x86 will not see/use more than in the order of 3.25G of RAM, ergo, blah, blah, blah; however, there are still reasons why x64 is a good, if not better, way to go... even if, w/ less than 4G of RAM. Anyway, if one cares to go 64 it is nice Abode is (now) offering a Flash for 64-bit browsers.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 20th, 2011 5:58pm

Remember that when you double the word size, the effective amount of memory is halved. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 20th, 2011 6:05pm

Still nice to have Flash for 64Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 20th, 2011 6:23pm

Remember that when you double the word size, the effective amount of memory is halved. WAYYY too simplistic, and simply not true. 64 bit processors access bytes, words, and longwords too. 64 bit executables are not much different in size from 32 bit executables. -Noel
July 20th, 2011 10:29pm

But, faster & more robust, too. DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 21st, 2011 2:53am

Keep in mind that besides the IT talent, I am also a developer. Find me over in C++ on MSDN. Reliability is relative, validation of software is intrinsicly hard. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 21st, 2011 8:13am

Keep in mind besides being an IT Pro, you can find me happy w/ IE 9 & happy to have Flash for 64-bit browsers. Through education comes empowerment. Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 21st, 2011 2:41pm

I use Firefox as IE9 cannot use the forum very well. Seems to hang there and not let me post a response. FF at least allows me to post before I lose my train of thought. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 21st, 2011 2:51pm

Dunno what to say... I have FF & use it (very) occasionally but, IE9, my browser of choice handles everything, web sites, including "the forum", very nicely & problem-free. In othe words, IE9 CAN use the forum very well; no "hanging", @ all.Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 21st, 2011 3:00pm

I am not sure what is the issue, I have no add-ons at all save for Adobe flash, acrobat and Java clean install of windows too due to a disk failure Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 21st, 2011 3:09pm

IE9 for me seems to deal with this site well and quickly, save for one particular thread with a huge number of responses, where it will occasionally report a lockup. It probably pushed past some arbitrary limit built into the Javascript engine. -Noel
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July 21st, 2011 6:10pm

FF and IE both are sluggish with longer threads, likely due to the server having to find all the messages etc. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 21st, 2011 6:15pm

Sorry, but I find nothing "sluggish" @ all in IE or FF. Maybe has something to do w/ it that I use Shaw Extreme & have a very good, robust PCDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 23rd, 2011 6:24pm

I have the top 100 plan and I think its the servers here that are sluggish. Windows MVP, paid Remote Assistance is available for XP, Vista and Windows 7. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
July 23rd, 2011 9:48pm

Dunno what to say to help you... like I said, nothing is sluggish for me. Maybe your PC needs a tune-up or more RAM or something. If it was the servers would not only be you finding things sluggish. I don't & have not heard this from anyone else, either. Maybe mention your situation in a more relevant thread & see if anyone there has a helpful comment or response for you. Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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July 24th, 2011 12:13am

IE9 with SmartScreen Leads Malware Protection Once Again http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2011/08/15/ie9-with-smartscreen-leads-malware-protection-once-again.aspxDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
August 25th, 2011 4:20pm

Since I saw this thread pop to the top in the My Threads list, and some months have passed since IE9 was released, I thought I'd follow up with a few comments... Now that I've found tweaks and freeware workarounds to the design deficiencies that were bothering me (no title in title bar, no separate search box, key things removed from the status bar), I have to say IE9 is the best IE I've used yet, overall. With the finer control over security features I have struck a great balance between "show all the glitz and get all the malware" and "don't let that nasty internet in at all". It's fast, it's stable, it's secure, the rendering looks really good... Really nothing not to like here. -Noel
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August 25th, 2011 5:09pm

I have to chuckle, Noel. Very cool to see what you have said... you are right & I, for one, remembering your remarks some time ago, am glad to see you gave it a chance, mucked about w/ it a bit & have, after a bit of time come to have your current attitude towards IE9... as well you should (finally), lol. How you & others enjoyed the article I put here today about 1 aspect of its safety. Cheers, DrewDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
August 25th, 2011 7:16pm

Good point, most laypeople don't distinguish between the browser and site programming. This is emphasized by the fact that modern browsers are huge compromizers, allowing ill-formatted HTML, etc. to be seen in some fashion instead of being rejected. In the old days of software engineering we used to joke about creating a DWIMNWIS engine - a program that would Do What I Mean, Not What I Say. I'd say the modern web browser has striven to reach that goal, where "I" is the web implementer who plays fast and loose with the web site design. Laypeople gauge the success of the DWIMNWIS implementation above all else. I wonder how many web designers actually pass their pages through w3c or use the syntax checkers of various IDEs. I really like the feature of IE9 where compatibility view can be set per-site. It's solved issues with several online forum sites for me. -Noel P.S. I agree about various browsers following the others. Web publishing and browsing seem to be the epitome of "Plagiarize, plagiarize, let no one's work evade your eyes."
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August 27th, 2011 7:02am

Heh, I don't think I've changed my tune all THAT much... On February 14 I wrote, "I have to say overall I give it a 9 out of 10, and I think it's a great improvement over IE8". That article was interesting, though I sensed a bit (er, a LOT) of marketing spin (no surprise, the Director of IE Product Marketing wrote it). At the moment I have mixed feelings about the direction things are going... For example, I'm swimming in Internet site rating tools, and as such I've turned some off. For example, Avast Internet Security provides a rating tool that overlaps with what IE is doing. And I've noticed that IE9 gets pretty adamant about people not running downloads it doesn't know about... Not long ago I released a new product. IE9 didn't recognize it when I tested my download link, and pretty much shouted at me that it would damage my system if I ran it. Not altogether happy to see for someone legitimately trying to sell and deliver software via the web. But, alas, not everyone has figured out that they should be making ongoing judgments about what to run and what not to run, so I suppose being more cautious by default is better than being promiscuous. Funny thing, reading the comments of people at the bottom of the article page... People do tend to get pretty adamant about a web browser, don't they? I know I've contributed in that regard too (in other threads). :) -Noel
August 27th, 2011 5:27pm

IE9 is much better than IE7 or IE8 but its still not as productive as FF when I am researching I may need a lot of tabs open, FF has lots of space, IE not so good but improving. Windows MVP, XP, Vista, 7. Expanding into Windows Server 2008 R2, SQL Server, SharePoint etc. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. My Page on SSD is now #2. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
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August 27th, 2011 5:42pm

VF, Not quite sure to what or what concept you refer. Personally I find nothing restrictive or limiting about ("space" or "Productivity" of) IE9. I do have & use Chrome & FF occasionally & certainly 'experiment' w/ all. Fact remains, IE9 is fastest & safest of all. Regards, Drew Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
August 27th, 2011 5:59pm

Just a guess but the ability to organize the window to make more room for more tabs might be what he's talking about. I can't see what people like about tabs myself. The OS does that (buttons/icons in the Taskbar)! -Noel
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August 27th, 2011 6:17pm

I have a VM configured with all the major browsers I use it for web site development purposes Windows MVP, XP, Vista, 7. Expanding into Windows Server 2008 R2, SQL Server, SharePoint etc. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. My Page on SSD is now #2. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
August 27th, 2011 6:18pm

Yes, same here, 'experiment' w/ them in VMs, as well. Need to check everything out & have various things @ my fingertips for client support & to keep myself informed & aware. Regards, Drew Comuter IssuesDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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August 27th, 2011 6:53pm

Me too. VMware saves one from having to build an entire computer test lab. :) -Noel
August 27th, 2011 7:31pm

I believed in virtualization early. I used Virtual PC and Virtual Server but now I can use the Windows 7 version that can even run Server 2003 and 2008. Makes it handy as server migration jobs can be complex Windows MVP, XP, Vista, 7. Expanding into Windows Server 2008 R2, SQL Server, SharePoint etc. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. My Page on SSD is now #2. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
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August 27th, 2011 7:45pm

Coincidentally & interestingly enough, @ the moment, this is being written whilst I'm on 1 of my VMs playing around w/ ass'ted browsers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ True enough... I, too have realized, used & recommended the value & many benefits & good reasons of using virtualization for a long time. I have another entry in this forum urging the use of VMs (certainly rather than Test User Accounts)... it is in a thread whose topic is actually virtualization http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itprovirt/thread/7625c718-4ba4-4dce-9e60-f039ab1b3057 Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
August 27th, 2011 8:06pm

Windows 7 is good for development, the VM is a perfect testing ground. Remember the disk manager can mount a VHD so you can debug drivers. No user account can do that. This makes Windows 7 a winner in my shop Windows MVP, XP, Vista, 7. Expanding into Windows Server 2008 R2, SQL Server, SharePoint etc. My page on Video Card Problems is now my most popular landing page. My Page on SSD is now #2. See my gaming site for game reviews etc. Developer | Windows IT | Chess | Economics | Hardcore Games | Vegan Advocate | PC Reviews
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August 27th, 2011 8:17pm

Cool but, somehow we are digressing a good bit from a discussion about IE9... not that there is anything wrong w/ that. And, yes, both Windows 7 & using VMs are good things. Cheers, Drew Computer Issues Clients Welcome Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
August 27th, 2011 8:37pm

By the way, Noel... Remembering your mention of OneBar ie URL & Search box combined in IE9... Maybe it's coincidence, maybe not, maybe just the way browsers are getting built these days but, IE9 surfaced, then FF 4.0, then Google Chrome; I think that was the order but, certainly IE9 came 1st. I recall noticing how many similarities I saw in FF 4.0 to IE9, almost seemed like blatant copying. FF does keep the URL & Search separate. On to Chrome which, also, uses a singular, combined URL/Search box; not to mention, again, a host of similarities to IE9. That said, as I'm sure you have discovered, it is easily possible to search separately from the Address bar by having a Bing space on the Home Page, certainly if MSN or by having a Bing page on the Favorites Bar. Personally, took me a bit to get used to it but, now sometimes I find the so-called OneBar cool & handy, as well as a lot of time using & accessing Bing independently, in the 2 ways I mentioned above. That's it, just sharing some wee thoughts & observations you brought to mind. Cheers, Drew Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
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August 27th, 2011 9:59pm

I feel it should finally be mentioned, just for clarification, that because a site or parts, page thereof don't work or maybe not properly or fully it does not mean IE9 is bad or should be bashed... rather it means those sites are not compatible or have not caught up w/ contemporary technology. This same scenario applies when people fault an OS because something doesn't work or @ least not fully or properly in or on it andd they fault that (likely new) OS. The OS (or browser) is not bad because something is lagging in making itself compatible & or 100% functional in a modern OS or browser. Regards, Drew Computer Issues Clients WelcomeDrew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com
August 28th, 2011 3:00am

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