Will MS give us in a future SP the option of Classic menus for win7? Also for office 2007? I use my PC for work and tried my best to learn the new GUI (6months now)but it slowed me down to the point where I had to add a 3rd party classic menu application on both win7 and office 2007. However I prefer if it was an integral part of the OS. Anyone know if MS is even considering this?

My own personal perspective is that Microsoft will not take any steps backwards. I have been using every edition of Windows since 1.0 and I have adapted to the changes that accompany evolution. There are two things about Windows: 1. Change is inevitable. 2. Resistance is futile.Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

My own personal perspective is that Microsoft will not take any steps backwards. I have been using every edition of Windows since 1.0 and I have adapted to the changes that accompany evolution. There are two things about Windows: 1. Change is inevitable. 2. Resistance is futile. Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread. ” Thank you for your reply but just allowing change when that change is for the worse then that is something we should not allow. Kind of saying that we have had the round wheel for too long and it is outdated so welcome to the all new square wheel where you do not need the handbrake any more to park. Change is not necessarily better. The shark and cockroach have remained basically unchanged for over 250 million years simply because they are both an excellent design. Oh well I guess I shall have to stick to the excellent CLASSIC SHELL application for now. God bless the man who came up with it. Don't get me wrong win7 is 95% excellent and very stable and 5 % rubbish due to the lack of the option of classic menus.

This will not happen. ClassicStart menu is gone. You have to use 3rd party tools like ClassicShell: http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/"A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

My own personal perspective is that Microsoft will not take any steps backwards. I have been using every edition of Windows since 1.0 and I have adapted to the changes that accompany evolution. There are two things about Windows: 1. Change is inevitable. 2. Resistance is futile. Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread. ” The Borg are all around us.Network Systems Engineer * Zvetco Biometrics * Windows Server 2008 R2 * Core2 6600 @ 3.30GHz * 16 GIGS RAM * NVIDIA 9400GT * ** " Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

Agreed. Change is innovation. M$FT is all about innovation, so change is expected. I love the new changes. Get used to it.. :)Network Systems Engineer * Zvetco Biometrics * Windows Server 2008 R2 * Core2 6600 @ 3.30GHz * 16 GIGS RAM * NVIDIA 9400GT * ** " Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

Change is innovation only if it offers an improvement. A square wheel is change; would you drive a car with square wheels? Should we change something just for the sake of change? I agree that change is necessary but if it is done for the sake of change then it has defeated the purpose of change. The shark and cockroach have remained unchanged for over 200 million years; Why? Because they are such a good design that they do not need to change. Yes if a better design comes along then yes the shark will change. Win 7 GUI and Ribbon are a change for sure but they are a step backwards. At least we should have had the option like we did with all previous windows OSs.

Hi, you can discuss weeks or months, the feature will never come back. I gave you a link to a free/open source tool. Use it and be happy. What's the problem? André"A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

I'd also recommend you try the new innovations. They really save so much time and effort once you get used to them. Millions of people tested Windows 7 and this was their feedback and I'm so happy that Microsoft listened to the people!If this was helpful, please vote by clicking the green triangle. If it solves the issue, click Propose as Answer. Thanks!

Change is innovation only if it offers an improvement. A square wheel is change; would you drive a car with square wheels? Should we change something just for the sake of change? I agree that change is necessary but if it is done for the sake of change then it has defeated the purpose of change. The shark and cockroach have remained unchanged for over 200 million years; Why? Because they are such a good design that they do not need to change. Yes if a better design comes along then yes the shark will change. Win 7 GUI and Ribbon are a change for sure but they are a step backwards. At least we should have had the option like we did with all previous windows OSs. Are you comparing the design of XP to the design of sharks? The sharks had to evolve into what they were 200 million years ago, they didn't suddenly appear perfect. I do agree though, not all change is for the better (look at Vista), but I like the new look and feel of Windows 7. I've been a Linux fan for many years, simply because of the imperfections of windows, but now I kinda like it (I know, swearing in church and all that...). Why not use XP and an earlier office version if you liked them better?

Hi, Please understand that this is a design change. You may refer to the similar thread: How to get Classic Start Menu in Windows 7 http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/9383b90d-5d07-4516-8367-7606b928f3bb “The Classic Start Menu was removed and is no longer available in Windows 7.” Regards, Sabrina Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

Change is innovation only if it offers an improvement. A square wheel is change; would you drive a car with square wheels? Should we change something just for the sake of change? I agree that change is necessary but if it is done for the sake of change then it has defeated the purpose of change. The shark and cockroach have remained unchanged for over 200 million years; Why? Because they are such a good design that they do not need to change. Yes if a better design comes along then yes the shark will change. Win 7 GUI and Ribbon are a change for sure but they are a step backwards. At least we should have had the option like we did with all previous windows OSs. Are you comparing the design of XP to the design of sharks? The sharks had to evolve into what they were 200 million years ago, they didn't suddenly appear perfect. I do agree though, not all change is for the better (look at Vista), but I like the new look and feel of Windows 7. I've been a Linux fan for many years, simply because of the imperfections of windows, but now I kinda like it (I know, swearing in church and all that...). Why not use XP and an earlier office version if you liked them better? I like windows 7. I just hate the very unfriendly GUI and Ribbon philosophy where it is like being a woman in Taliban held territory; "HIDE OR BE SHOT"! I just cannot understand the logic behind the new GUI. I have solved the problem partially by installing the EXCELLENT and FREE application: CLASSIC SHELL. I only wish MS had given us the choice of classic menus in win7; After all what are they afraid of?

I just cannot understand the logic behind the new GUI. I have solved the problem partially by installing the EXCELLENT and FREE application: CLASSIC SHELL. I only wish MS had given us the choice of classic menus in win7; After all what are they afraid of? Why do you cry? Were you disappointed when MS forced you to use the Classic Startmenu in Windows 95? The classic startmenu was obsolete in Vista, and the next step is to remove it. If you like the classic startmenu, floating toolbars and other stuff, go back to Vista, it includes ll you want ;)"A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

I just cannot understand the logic behind the new GUI. I have solved the problem partially by installing the EXCELLENT and FREE application: CLASSIC SHELL. I only wish MS had given us the choice of classic menus in win7; After all what are they afraid of? Why do you cry? Were you disappointed when MS forced you to use the Classic Startmenu in Windows 95? The classic startmenu was obsolete in Vista, and the next step is to remove it. If you like the classic startmenu, floating toolbars and other stuff, go back to Vista, it includes ll you want ;) "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/ First of all I am not crying. I am frustrated because I use my PC for work! When I first used windows 95 classic menus I had absolutely NO PROBLEM using it as it had a logic that was very easy to understand. You can have and keep your fancy colours and totally mouse click intensive game console GUI. If all people were like you then the corporations would not bother improving their products. I complain because I expect value for money and I want to use my computer as I see fit. I do not want some guy in a suit giving me useless fancy stuff while degrading the user interface to the point where anyone who uses the PC for work spends more time trying to find where the ____ a certain instruction is or a file is instead of spending their time being productive! Win 7 GUI and Ribbon are possibly the worst thing MS has offered us to date. They are a joke!

tanzanos wrote: Win 7 GUI and Ribbon are possibly the worst thing MS has offered us to date. They are a joke! It's definitely each to his own. I have been using Windows since version 1. I really liked '95 and XP. I skipped Vista but I am extremely pleased with Win 7. I did not find it a problem adapting to the new features at all and now prefer them over '95 and XP. You can please some of the people all the time; you can please all the people some of the time; but you cannot please all the people all the time!Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

Your reaction is a typical human reaction. You're scared about any new things. Like I told you, YOU WERE force to use the Classic startmenu in Win95 and no one was angry. World changes and software too. Install ClassicShell or go back to Vista."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

Your reaction is a typical human reaction. You're scared about any new things. Like I told you, YOU WERE force to use the Classic startmenu in Win95 and no one was angry. World changes and software too. Install ClassicShell or go back to Vista. "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/ Are you claiming to know me better than I know myself? When I first came across the classic menus in win 95 I immediately started using it. I had previously been using a similar GUI on the Atari 1040 STFM. I did not need more than an hour of learning curve. Some things are self explanatory and very easy to understand. I have many years experience as a products designer and have international patents to my name; So believe me when I say I do love new things but hate things that sacrifice functionality over good looks! The same problem I found with Ribbon. What is this obsession about hiding things? I know where my files are. I know how I want them ordered and I do not need some interface that decides for me! Before I installed CLASSIC SHELL I had such a hard time using win 7 that I almost gave up. Also all my friends (some are even IT managers and some computer repair technicians) hate the new GUI! What is so difficult about understanding that? How would you like it if you complained about something new that you were having a hard time understanding and I just told you to "Get used to it". MS is a monopoly and since the world has allowed it to remain so then MS should at the least honour the requirements of many of its users by giving us a choice! Most of the people who do not like the new menus and Ribbon are people who use their PCs for work! Go figure!

Some things are self explanatory and very easy to understand. like the new startmenu. Simply type a part of the starting program in the search box. Very easy, not so complicated like the old startmenu ;)"A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

Some things are self explanatory and very easy to understand. like the new startmenu. Simply type a part of the starting program in the search box. Very easy, not so complicated like the old startmenu ;) "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/ I have over 30,000 files (3d model, docs, photos etc), Try remembering all the names to be able to type them in order to find them. Tell me you are joking? The new Explorer is a joke!

I'm not using the search menu to find my files. I use it to start my applications faster. But we can stop this discussion. You are the old school suer who is unwilling to accept changes. I'm an engineer who tries to develop and use new things."A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

I'm not using the search menu to find my files. I use it to start my applications faster. But we can stop this discussion. You are the old school suer who is unwilling to accept changes. I'm an engineer who tries to develop and use new things. "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/ Let me reword that for you: You are the commercial new model junkie school that desperately needs new things even if they have no functionality. I am the rational school that appreciates good technology and strives to make it better and more functional. Now will someone please tell me why the cursor is not visible when I write a post (this is the only discussion forum where this happens)? Makes it very difficult to write anything just like Ribbon, new GUI, make it very difficult to do anything!

Well i can understand that when paying for a product you expect it to have the features you are used to. However if for 90% of the people the new interface is an improvement it is normal they switch it. If they would have kept the option to keep the old one they also had to support it, this you could do for everything creating a never ending story. Luckely for you there are free tools to give you the experience that is best for you. But we can not expect msft to keep things alive for a small minority (even if that would be awesome for them). Me personally love the search box, if possible i would get rid of the start orb all together & just have a search box, cause the only reason i click on it is to search/find/start prog's/doc's. But as said before they will not change this back.Don't forget about Alt+Esc!

Well i can understand that when paying for a product you expect it to have the features you are used to. However if for 90% of the people the new interface is an improvement it is normal they switch it. If they would have kept the option to keep the old one they also had to support it, this you could do for everything creating a never ending story. Luckely for you there are free tools to give you the experience that is best for you. But we can not expect msft to keep things alive for a small minority (even if that would be awesome for them). Me personally love the search box, if possible i would get rid of the start orb all together & just have a search box, cause the only reason i click on it is to search/find/start prog's/doc's. But as said before they will not change this back.Don't forget about Alt+Esc!

Well i can understand that when paying for a product you expect it to have the features you are used to. However if for 90% of the people the new interface is an improvement it is normal they switch it. If they would have kept the option to keep the old one they also had to support it, this you could do for everything creating a never ending story. Luckely for you there are free tools to give you the experience that is best for you. But we can not expect msft to keep things alive for a small minority (even if that would be awesome for them). Me personally love the search box, if possible i would get rid of the start orb all together & just have a search box, cause the only reason i click on it is to search/find/start prog's/doc's. But as said before they will not change this back. Don't forget about Alt+Esc! I gave up using search when it failed to find "AERO" "Slideshow". I wanted to turn off both but search miserably failed to find them! so much for search. Actually I almost never used search! I would open explorer and find what I wanted and or right click or press F1. This new GUI treats everything like the Taliban treat women: Hide woman or be shot! We are not a minority. Most people who do not like the new GUI use their PC at work and don't even post in web polls. The new users buy their new PC with Win 7 already installed and have no idea of how superior Classic menus are; Simply because they have not been exposed to them. The new GUI is all pretty and fancy but is lacking in user friendliness and functionality. Classic menus is like the ROUND wheel! Sure you could improve it and should do so and the basic concept is sound and logical. It is attuned to the way the human brain is structured logically and the learning curve is very small. The new GUI is attuned to the marketing policies and profit oriented strategies that sacrifices functionality over good looks! NEW does not always mean better. The reality TV shows are something new; Do you honestly mean to say that they are an improvement to TV shows? Using search to run a programme? Why all the typing when you could just double-click the desktop shortcut? Also the new explorer is just an insult to the human race!

You must be in the Army. I have always heard a soldier is only happy when he's bitching, and you sure do a lot of bitching! If you don't like Win 7 then go back to XP or switch to Apple or Linux. Whether you like it or not, Windows 7 is what it is and Microsoft is not going to change it to please one person. Quit beating a dead horse and move on with your life!Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

You must be in the Army. I have always heard a soldier is only happy when he's bitching, and you sure do a lot of bitching! If you don't like Win 7 then go back to XP or switch to Apple or Linux. Whether you like it or not, Windows 7 is what it is and Microsoft is not going to change it to please one person. Quit beating a dead horse and move on with your life! Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread. ” Ah yes; the "accept whatever is served to you" mentality. I did not spend 150 Euros on an OS that does not give me a choice and expect me to be happy. If MS promises to support XP then I see no need to not upgrade to XP. I have stated many times that win 7 is excellent with the exception of its GUI. Are you seriously implying that as a customer I have no right to complain? What choice do I have? MS is a worldwide MONOPOLY! Apple MACs are worse and LINUX does not support everything. I do not have a choice. And since the world has been gracious enough to allow MS to reign as a monopoly then the least MS can do is not make my life at work harder by just changing an interface that worked perfectly into an almost unusable one. You are obviously uninformed if you think we are few! I have not yet met a person in person who likes the new menu and most of the people I associate with are students and IT managers and some computer repair technicians.

My own personal perspective is that Microsoft will not take any steps backwards. If the above statement is true, can anybody explain Search 4.0?. Other than that, I agree with the fact that (a) most things are an improvement, (b) resistant is futile and (c) the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few . MS can't please everybody. Live long and prosper.Miguel Fra / Falcon ITS Computer & Network Support, Miami, FL Visit our Knowledgebase Sharepoint Site

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You must be in the Army. I have always heard a soldier is only happy when he's bitching, and you sure do a lot of bitching! If you don't like Win 7 then go back to XP or switch to Apple or Linux. Whether you like it or not, Windows 7 is what it is and Microsoft is not going to change it to please one person. Quit beating a dead horse and move on with your life! Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread. ” Ah yes; the "accept whatever is served to you" mentality. I did not spend 150 Euros on an OS that does not give me a choice and expect me to be happy. If MS promises to support XP then I see no need to not upgrade to XP. I have stated many times that win 7 is excellent with the exception of its GUI. Are you seriously implying that as a customer I have no right to complain? What choice do I have? MS is a worldwide MONOPOLY! Apple MACs are worse and LINUX does not support everything. I do not have a choice. And since the world has been gracious enough to allow MS to reign as a monopoly then the least MS can do is not make my life at work harder by just changing an interface that worked perfectly into an almost unusable one. You are obviously uninformed if you think we are few! I have not yet met a person in person who likes the new menu and most of the people I associate with are students and IT managers and some computer repair technicians. So, you know a lot of happy people! Congratulations!Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

The cursor shows up for me, I'm using the Chrome browser and it also works in IE.If this was helpful, please vote by clicking the green triangle. If it solves the issue, click Propose as Answer. Thanks!

I just hate the very unfriendly GUI and Ribbon philosophy where it is like being a woman in Taliban held territory; "HIDE OR BE SHOT"! Sorry, Ribbons where designed after doing a lot of studies: Look at the video: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx It is faster and better. You have only memorized where all the commands in early Office versions, no matter how stupid and useless the UI is ;)"A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code" CLIP- Stellvertreter http://www.winvistaside.de/

Now will someone please tell me why the cursor is not visible when I write a post (this is the only discussion forum where this happens)? Makes it very difficult to write anything just like Ribbon, new GUI, make it very difficult to do anything! I suspect it has something to do with the video driver. I used to not see the cursor once in awhile in Firefox and I discovered it would re-appear if I clicked on the page reload. I have had it happen a few times in IE also, but not as often as Firefox. It could be caused by the amount of traffic on the website.Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

I have over 30,000 files (3d model, docs, photos etc), Try remembering all the names to be able to type them in order to find them. Tell me you are joking? The new Explorer is a joke! Tanzanos, say hello to the Sparkster http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/e1520da0-7fa7-4c9d-884c-f83ce5802649

I have over 30,000 files (3d model, docs, photos etc), Try remembering all the names to be able to type them in order to find them. Tell me you are joking? The new Explorer is a joke! Tanzanos, say hello to the Sparkster http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/e1520da0-7fa7-4c9d-884c-f83ce5802649 Wow thanks! Finally someone else who knows what he is talking about. Still now that I have installed CLASSIC SHELL it has made things much better. I also installed classic menus for OFFICE 2007. This however has not solved the utterly useless "search feature". But now I can say that win 7 is much better. Try searching for "AERO" or "SLIDESHOW".......... haha! But in all earnest Win 7 is as stable as XP and is a very solid OS. Now to just add all the third party applications that will restore functionality and It will be the best OS so far! Again thanks for the intro! :)