Bloating Win7
I heard in a recent tech podcast that Microsoft plans to incorporate many additional features to Windows 7, and the resulting RC will be full of resource-heavy features. Just what many were worried about. If this is the case, Win7 should be call Vista 2.0.
March 29th, 2009 6:30am

. . . a recent tech podcast. . . . Which one? What exactly did they say? Is the podcast known to be anti-Microsoft? Please do expand on what you mean by that and how exactly it has you worried.
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March 29th, 2009 6:53am

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March 29th, 2009 7:04am

Seriously dude... Do you really think that's going to be the case? Whoever was reportingthis has to be smoking some seriously hard core crack. When Build 7000 was released, Microsoft said that Windows 7 is feature complete. Secondly, they said that there would be only ONE beta and ONE release canddiate before it was released (unless, of course, something really ugly popped up - which, thus far, it hasn't.)...The time to add new technology is NOT at the last minute. You throwin new, untestedtechnologies in theAlpha andearly beta stages. If you were to throw in a bunch of stuff at the last minute, and something should drastically go wrong, it would NOT look good, require yet another beta/RC cycle, and that would really NOT be good.Microsoft wants to retire XP home for good. If they threw in a bunch of stuff that made Windows 7 less desirable, that could NEVER happen. Not unless they planned on giving up the entire netbook market to Linux. And that is NOT happening. Microsoft wants to make money. They can't make money if someone is not buying their OS and other software. And finally, Vista's release did not go very well. Even though the OS had a lot of good things going for it, public perception was quite negative. There are many reasons why this was so. One of the main reasons was the fact that Vista didn't run well on older, slower hardware. It had a seemingly steep demand for hardware - never mind that most computers sold at the time were mostly adequate to the task of running the OS... The bottom line - it didn't sell as well as it could have until SP1 and it's still got a bad reputation in many circles. So why would Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot by throwing in a bunch of stuff that would make Windows 7 fail? Last I checked, they didn't strike me as being willing to commit corporate hari-kari... Yes, they made tactical errors releasing Vista. They've learned from the mistakes and have fixed the issues that caused Vista to be problematic. They made 7 faster. There is NO logical reason why they would throw all that out.
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March 29th, 2009 12:10pm

egads - Gee... ya think? Of course it's someone trying to spread epic class FUD.While heckling might be fun, I think it's better to take FUD and shredit into teeny tiny bits before it gets much in the way of any serious traction. Feature Complete? Until you pay formore.That IS what Microsoft said when the Beta was released. While features may evolve and be tweaked, it's not like Microsoft is going to throw in anything drastically new or different into the mix. At this point it wouldn't make any sense.Unless...really ugly popped up. Uh oh...? (See next)That was mentioned inthe original Beta release notes. That was only likely to cover any surprises. It's a BETA - bugshappen.ONE beta and ONE RC? We've heard rumors. (Seeprev)Rumors? That was also covered in the Beta release notes. New tech...NOT at the last minute. (See prev and next)Rumors need to be taken with a huge 5 lb brick of salt. Just because some wonk somewhere says something doesn't make it so.Retire XP...MS wants to make money. Very cynically obvious?Maybe so - but is it incorrect? Microsoft is a BUSINESS and as such that is what a business does - it's that or they close up shop and go home.Vista...did not go very well. Uh oh...here we go again?Once again - Is that not correct? Don't get me wrong - I like Vista. I was on the beta for that as well. But then again, there was a definite lack of drivers from OEMs and afew other issues that caused a lot of early adopters pain. The point is, Microsoft reallly needs and wants Windows 7's release to go off without any major hitches. They need to reclaim the hearts and minds of people out there and they can't depend entirely on advertising. They have to produce an OS that rocks in order to do that. They can't give say, Apple ammunition so they can produce yet another round of those pathetic, lame,FUD filled Mac Vs PC ads. Thus far, with the beta, they've done rather well. Most of the posts I've read about it have been VERY positive. For Microsoft to do something to sabotage that in the RC stage just makes NO sense.
March 29th, 2009 4:25pm

Guys, don't kill the messenger. I agree with most of what has been said here. Although I have Linux boxes, I use Vista Ultimate (64bit) and love it, and can't wait for Win7. The podcast was Twit.tv, Windows Weekly. I never thought there was so much passion behind Microsoft. Let us try to be objective. Name calling and speculation is not productive. Peace
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March 31st, 2009 5:27am

irobot...Dude... Seriously... You seriously need to consider your choice of words when you post something here. Consider your original post:I heard in a recent tech podcast that Microsoft plans to incorporate many additional features to Windows 7, and the resulting RC will be full of resource-heavy features. Just what many were worried about. If this is the case, Win7 should be call Vista 2.0.Your first mistake, you didn't specify WHICH podcast from the get go. Secondly, exactly WHO are all these "many" that are worried and wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth? The guys at Apple? Or Canonical? or Red Hat?Good. Let 'em worry. We ALL want a great OS. If they want to compete, they're gonna have to step up to the plate and produce something just as cool. That's good for EVERYBODY. Third, the title and your conclusions come off like the typical posting of so much flame bait found in many forums around the www. It's bloody inflamatory. If you wanted to be productive, your post could have read something like this:"I just heard a podcast on twit.tv where they were discussing stuff about Windows 7 build 7057. They seem to think that Microsoft is going to be making changes that might be resource heavy and erode the gains they made getting Windows 7 to rock in build 7000. I sure hope this isn't the case!" In addition, you could have provided a link to the podcastso we could have all downloaded it, listened to it and been on the same page as you. Assuming you're referring to episode 98... The description seems to fit your post.And someone would have come along and told you that build 7057 is an internal test build - one that wasn't meant for public consumption and was deisgned to test various bits along the road to the Release Candidate. Someone broke their NDA and released 7057 when they weren't supposed to do so. Etc... So don't be too surprised that someone was a bit snappy and tried to bite your head off when you come in with an inflamatory post.
March 31st, 2009 10:01am

that is ture?
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March 31st, 2009 11:45am

I heard in a recent tech podcast that Microsoft plans to incorporate many additional features to Windows 7, and the resulting RC will be full of resource-heavy features. Just what many were worried about. If this is the case, Win7 should be call Vista 2.0. Hello, such a statement should be made based on solid and conclusive data. As others said, don't base your conclusions in rumours... "I heard that someone said who was orbiting in the moon....... bla bla bla". And if by any chance that's true, we'll see it in the RC. But, mate, to be honest, and after the terrible reputation Vista earned since the early release in regards performance, I can't believe MS will run into the same brick wall over and over again. Didn't want to be rude, Regards.W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm! And now on my VAIO FE31M Laptop.
March 31st, 2009 11:48am

Reckon, No problem, I appreciate everyone's candor. I just didn't think folks had such depth of feeling towards a software vendor. I expected that from the Mac cult, not from a Microsoft group. As for myself, I tend to use whatever works to get a job done, whether it's a Microsoft product, Unix, Apple, Linux, etc. I'm still at awe with the group's reaction, but I now understand. Peace and much love
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April 2nd, 2009 3:54am

It's not so much that there's a lot of blind devotion going on around here like you'd find in a Mac cult forum. Many of us here are professionals who use Windows and make a living supporting Microsoft products. So when we come across a post that strikes a raw nerve, we tend to get a bit cranky.
April 2nd, 2009 5:04am

Reckon, No problem, I appreciate everyone's candor. I just didn't think folks had such depth of feeling towards a software vendor. I expected that from the Mac cult, not from a Microsoft group. As for myself, I tend to use whatever works to get a job done, whether it's a Microsoft product, Unix, Apple, Linux, etc. I'm still at awe with the group's reaction, but I now understand. Peace and much love Irobot, I don't have such depth of feeling towards Microsoft. The onle real fact it is, as other said, that 90% of computersin the worlduse MS Tech. As you do, all of us try to use the best software to get a job done. But that software tends to be from Microsoft. And most of us provide in any form support to those MS Tech, earning a living. That's all.About your statement, one of the things Microsoft did with Windows 7 was to remove anything not essential for the system. A good example of this is the Windows Live Essentials bundle. Enjoy learning W7, as I do.Best Regards.W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm! And now on my VAIO FE31M Laptop.
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April 2nd, 2009 9:19am

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