Supposedly. The is a delete confirmation message that is turned off in the Recycle Bin icon of Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows 7 Professional. I have turned it off and it makes no difference. I am still asked, "Are you sure?", when I want to delete a file and if I weren't sure, I would not have issued the Delete command to begin with. You see, I am willing to take responsibity for my errors. Renee

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Juke, As a former VMS Principal Development Engineer at Digital Equipment Corp, I understand that the problem is by design. I am complaining that there is no choice. You get the messages whether they are desireable or not. There's no way to turn the off. Believe me, VMS never had "are you sure messages" and that was a real operating system, ome of the best ever. Renee

Part 2 Did you know that William Shatner (aka Captain Kirk) played a leading role in a 1963 Twilight Zone episode, fully 3 years before Start Trek I first aired? In fact, he even had an earlier role (1960). But it is this particular one about the gremlin on the airplane wing that comes to mind right now. Did he imagine it? Or was it real. I know you guys can't see it, but I do. That Recycle Bin setting does exactly what it's supposed to, for me. o_O

Part 2 Did you know that William Shatner (aka Captain Kirk) played a leading role in a 1963 Twilight Zone episode, fully 3 years before Start Trek I first aired? In fact, he even had an earlier role (1960). But it is this particular one about the gremlin on the airplane wing that comes to mind right now. Did he imagine it? Or was it real. You guys can't see it, but I do. That Recycle Bin setting does exactly what it's supposed to, for me. I shouldn't have admitted it. I know. But I'm the only one who does know. Right now. o_O

Yes, I've seen the Shatner Twilight zone AND the chechbox on the recycle bin "Display Delete Confirnation Dialogue" has never been checked on my Windows 7 Ultimate system....but my system wants to act as if the box is checked. Come now....you don't think I'd leave the box checked do you? Renee

I realize the setting doesn't work for you. And I see it doesn't work for Juke either. That's not what I see. I feel like I just stepped into the Twilight Zone. Or out of an airplane on a dark rainy night. o_O PS - By default, mine was checked. I unchecked it just to test what was happening here. When you first posted it, and again today.

Yes...perhaps I'm naive but I'd an operating system that did what I asked it it to rather ask me If I am sure. The answer is Always yes and I"M WILLING TO TAKE RESPONBILITY foy MYSELF. Imagine that? Would you expand a little on why you feel that way? Renee

When you first posted about it, I tested it and it worked fine. I figured maybe you had a config problem that you'd work out. I decided to be polite and say nothing. Then, Juke replies and confirms it doesn't work right. You two are having a swell conversation about a totally separate reality from mine. Conclusion. I have gone crazy. What's new?

You're right although I dont think Juke knew of the switch on the recycle bin. Actually I took jukes response as more of the same crap I've seen on this issue. People don't understand "real" operating system (like VMS) that does what you askit to do, WITHOUT asking you if you are sure. You see Juke it may be by design___but in that case the design is messed up. There is a switch on the recycle bin to turn it off. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Keep up the good work D. Renee

You're right although I dont think Juke knew of the switch on the recycle bin. Actually I took jukes response as more of the same crap I've seen on this issue. People don't understand "real" operating system (like VMS) that does what you askit to do, WITHOUT asking you if you are sure. You see Juke it may be by design___but in that case the design is messed up. There is a switch on the recycle bin toy turn it off. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Keep up the good work D. Renee

But you have not gone crazy. Mine is functioning in a screwed up fashion. Renee

But you have not gone crazy. Mine is functioning is a screwed up fashion. Renee

You read me perfectly. Regards ; )

I appreciate you. Your clever. And I liked vista!!! Renee

Ahhh. Busted editing my post again. Had to fix the image. You know how I am. And uh, yes, that ratio is kind of telling. : ) Thanks for the kind words.

Hi, I am so sorry. Yep, as derosnec says, you may uncheck the display the delete confirmation dialog option. It is my fault. derosnec, thanks for the efforts.Please remember to click Mark as Answer on the post that helps you, and to click Unmark as Answer if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.

Just teasing, friend. Never any hard feelings intended. But some things are funny. : )

Just testing, friend. Never any hard feelings intended. Some things are funny. : )

Juke, I said here, that mine has NEVER been checked. Renee

before: But you have gone crazy. after: But you have not gone crazy. I liked it better the first way. Is there such a thing as a gremlin?

before: But you have gone crazy. after: But you have not gone crazy. I liked it better the first way. It helps explain everything. Puts me at peace with it all.

before: But you have gone crazy. after: But you have not gone crazy. I liked it better the first way. It helps explain everything. Puts me at peace with it all. : )

I found this: GP Local Computer Policy > User Configuration > Administrative Templates > All Settings > Display confirmation dialog when deleting files Allows you to have Windows Explorer display a confirmation dialog whenever a file is deleted or moved to the Recycle Bin. If you enable this setting, a confirmation dialog is displayed when a file is deleted or moved to the Recycle Bin by the user. If you disable or do not configure this setting, the default behavior of not displaying a confirmation dialog occurs.* HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer ConfirmFileDelete REG_DWORD 0 - honor the recycle bin setting ConfirmFileDelete REG_DWORD 1 - always show confirmation dialog *I think this quoted description is not worded clearly. The reg settings above are what I actually observed. (Log off / Log in for it to take effect).

(excuse me for butting into your conversation, it is quite interesting) It should also be noted that IF you are using a third party file manager/browser (I use windows commander for all the extra options it gives including zip file creation and access,tabs, etc..) that you will still receive the "are you sure", BUT if you open windows explorer and delete from there it does not prompt.Please remember to flag a post that helps you as "answer" so that it may help others with same problems.

I am not using a third party file manager. Renee

I guess you didn't enjoy the GP and Registry info in my recent post above. Don't you like that kind of thing? The interesting thing about that GP description is, it exactly describes what you're looking to accomplish. Yet the actual way it needs to be interpreted, it's exactly opposite of how it says the default is. Too bad. It explains nothing about your issue. I thought for sure you'd have a few words to offer about that. I was waiting patiently. In this same spirit, here's some more Registry info to gaze upon. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer ShellState REG_BINARY 24 00 00 00 37 .... not checkmarked ShellState REG_BINARY 24 00 00 00 33 .... is checkmarked It's a single bit b2 (=4) in there that indicates if the Recycle Bin option is NOT(checkmarked). Isn't that nifty? Tell me you think so.

Actually, I didn't recieve notification that you left a message. I love this sort of thing. Thank you _ Let me try it out. Renee

You just made my day.

I think I may be living in the same alternate universe as you in this case, derosnec. My little [ ] Display delete confirmation dialog box is unchecked in the Recycle Bin properties, and when I delete files they just go quietly into the bin. Renee: Have you chosen the "() Don't move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files immediately when deleted" setting? Do you have any kind of 3rd party undelete application installed, or any shell extension that could be getting involved with file deletions? -Noel

No Noel. I have no thirddparty undelete for my deleture and I have the recycle bin turned off, something is deleted....it's deletted. Renee

Hmmmmm. That time it did delete with no inquiry. Both- But i had not rebooted since I made the change and we know that explorer is in memory! I had found that change a couple of days ago. That's the proper way for a real OS to put in messges. Renee

I think I may be living in the same alternate universe as you in this case, derosnec. Don't go and get a fat head on me Noel, but I must say, those are remarkable. I can practically smell them, they're so close. The gremlins. How about you, Renee. Do you see them too?

"Do you see them too?" No, I don't believe in them. I've been in computers since the seventies, and ya know.....I've never seen one. Renee

Noel and I do. Don't be bashful. You're among friends. Admit it. You see them too. Well, Juke's on the clock. So he can't say much. And DirtyOleBeggar. You can bet he see's them.

To be honest, the variable in question was not defined and I was having this error. But it'gone. Windows has only got aroung 10 'Are you sure", messages left. Before it emulates a decent OS. It would go FAR with the yechnical people. Renee

I'm not sure, but I vaguely recall that when you tell the system to avoid using the recycle bin it will prompt more aggressively. I'm not aware of performance benefits, save for a little more free space, to setting it to do a permanent deletion by default. Why do you want it set that way? -Noel

Because the recycle bin is for dummies. I do not use it. Renee

Oh, I do. Some of my best work is in there. do they ignite easily? gremlins.

I don't know........:) Renee

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:42:36 +0000, Renee Culver [MVP] wrote: Because the recycle bin is for dummies. I do not use it. Your choice of course, but I completely disagree that the recycle bin is for dummies. The recycle bin protects us against mistakes we might make, and not matter how smart we may we, none of us is perfect and none of us is immune to making the occasional mistake. I strongly recommend that everyone use the recycle bin. Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

I was a software engineer developing an operating system that turned out to be the worlds best operating system.. It's true in that in 15 years I did make 1 mistake. But we didn't have a recycle bin and I dislike it. I'm glad it can be turned off. Renee Culver

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:10:56 +0000, Renee Culver [MVP] wrote: I was a software engineer developing an operating system that turned out to be the worlds best operating system.. It's true in that in 15 years I did make 1 mistake. But we didn't have a recycle bin and I dislike it. I'm glad it can be turned off. As I said, it's your choice. Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

As you said. Renee

Instead of taking people out of choice, give the user a choice of using "Are you sure" messages or not.Let me decide on whether to backup or not and let me be the one to decide on whether to use ""Are you sure" messages or not. And let me take responsibilty for my decisions. What a novel idea. Renee

" I'm not aware of performance benefits, save for a little more free space, to setting it to do a permanent deletion by default. Why do you want it set that way?" Because I have better things to do than empty the recycle bin. Renee

As I said, it's your choice. Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP You forgot to thank him, Renee. gremlins

You know what, Derosnec? I love your sense of humor...... Renee

That one might not pass the test of time. Here in the Twilight Zone. They sure look fluffy. I'll bet they're flammable. Gremlins.

You understand. Renee

You understand. Renee I had given it considerable thought. Anything that wooly must also be flammable.

Would you like a non-paying but tough job? It's writing an operating system. You'll learm a tremendous amount. If so,,, my email addy is rmctwo at gmail dot com. Renee

Thanks for the invite. I'm unfamiliar with VMS. But I once knew of something called iRMX. That was back when I still had what it takes. I'm not so sure I do anymore. gremlins you know. everywhere.

I think your EXACTLY what I'm looking for, intelligent, sensitive and unorthodox. Besides, in that you are here aligns with what I'm saying. Please give us some thought, Needless to say we need more people and you'll be "next in line". You'll learn a lot about the right way to do things. You don't have to be familiar with VMS at this point and There is an Imternals and Data Structures manual at Amazon. I promise you a thinking ride like you 've never had before. Renee

I have just the right email account for this purpose.

Let me give it some thought and cook up an alias. It's been awhile. Thanks.

" I'm not aware of performance benefits, save for a little more free space, to setting it to do a permanent deletion by default. Why do you want it set that way?" Because I have better things to do than empty the recycle bin. You expect to EMPTY the recycle bin?!? Is that important to do under some conditions? I just buy bigger and bigger disk drives. So far in 35 years that strategy's been working. By the time I need more than 2 TB, a modern computer will be able to boot from a > 2 TB partition. I'm counting on it. On the other hand, there have been times when I've rescued something I've needed from the ol' Recycle Bin. I'm glad it's there. And yes, VMS was awesome, and RSX before that. You do know Windows NT was based on VMS, right? -Noel

Yes, I do. I succesfully applied with cutler for a job At DEC at DECWest in Seattle. I know that peace of history well immediately after Chernobyl. I was an engineer for VMS. A VMS engineer would never have a recycle bin. When we pressed the return key on a delete, that file was gone. It made you think which I appreciate. Renee

Yeah, but the past is not all golden... The DEC systems had that silly file versioning (remember that number behind the semicolon?). Remember DEL *.*;*? Hey, I even had VCL (a DCL implementation for the PC) for a lot of years. No scripting language has yet had the power DCL had. No disrespect intended, but an engineer who feels they could never mistakenly delete a file (or delete one on purpose and find out some time later there was a reason not to) is just a bit deluded. That has nothing to do with the OS; it has to do with being human and having fallable wetware. We're not so different in our thinking. I don't prefer an "Are you sure?" prompt either. So set the recycle bin to be active, but give it a ridiculously small quota, if that's what it takes to get promptless deletions. You never have to empty it, and I can't sense any downside. -Noel

It's a question of approach. For instance I don't think that windows is an improvement at all. I liked the ;number of the file system and think that Windows is a bad joke in comparison. I've said before that I made one mistake in the 15 years I was there and it was in the first year. I have always chosen to run the way a vax does. No. I'll never turn the recycle bin on and I do not make errors. I'm from the school that computers do what I tell them to. If I am dumb enough to delete all the files in a directory - fine. It's a better arrangement than"Are you sure" messages. My response to that is yes I asked it to. As an engineer, I normally ran with "bypass" privilege bypassing all file protection. Renee

Fair enough. You'll note I'm not telling you to run with the recycle bin enabled so you can undelete files, but if you're unable to avoid the prompt any other way, what's the harm in enabling it? >I do not make errors. LOL, you write this in the same post as claiming file revision numbers were a Good Thing. Writing the wrong thing to a file, then being able to revert back to an old revision isn't a whole helluva lot different than undeleting a file, my friend. You seem to be taking a defensive posture here. I don't know why; I'm just trying to show you how to accomplish what you want with Windows, because (like it or not) VMS is (all but) dead and Windows is king. -Noel

Yes, it is. But I don't for any reason that I respect. Windows you may call king but I think it"s a toy operating system. It for the general public and it's really been watered down. So you can have it. Renee

I think it's hilarious that you feel you and I are on opposite sides of a fence on this issue. I have an 80 page guide I'm about to publish that shows people how to turn off all the BS "watered-down" features in order to use Windows 7 as a serious "get work done" OS. It's not VMS, but it's certainly getting better and is actually possible to use for serious things. Living in the past (which I share with you in more ways than you know) doesn't seem to help much of anything. -Noel

Actually I think thats great. I haven't added an external CLI or anything. (I like to run a faitly orthodox system.) But I am getting so sick of the simplicity of Windows and being an ex-DECcie, you can bet I'm not going to any kind of Unix. It does not help to live in the past, BUT I do think life was so much better then. World you like a non-paying job? Eventually, Im going to try to move a VMS-like operating system to Intel 64bit architecture. I think we all will learn interesting and valuable things as we problem solve. Renee

Thank you for the invitation, but I'm afraid I'll have to decline. I need to make my software development pay the bills for now. I'll have to say this: Seeing the Digital operating systems growing as they were, I really didn't expect things to turn out the way they did for computing in general. In the '80s it really looked like things were getting more stable and more serious in the computing world, not less so. And yet here we are with Windows and OSX (Unix) running virtually the entire computing world, and operating systems being dumbed down to make better entertainment devices. Sigh. -Noel

Yep. They are dumbed down for the general populace and I hate it frankly. I dont like it at all. There is a thread which I started at http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=36298563&gid=31829&commentID=41824322&trk=view_disc discussing "What happened to DEC" by Deccies. You ought to read it. The years I left for VMS Engineering, digital peeked - in 88. Little did I know.... Renee