Exchange 2013 with Outlook 2013 - Not getting pop-up or mail tips for attachments exceeding max size

Our environment is Exchange Server 2013 CU3 and Outlook 2013 in cached mode. We have a transport rule that sets the max attachment size to 20 mb. If someone sends an attachment larger than 20 mb they receive an NDR letting them know the message wasn't delivered because it exceeded the max attachment size. We would like for the user to be prevented from sending the message at all or to at least get a mail tip before they try to send the message. The Outlook pop-up message that says "The file you're attaching is bigger than the server allows. Try putting the file in a shared location ..." isn't being generated for us. Not sure if that's because we're running Exchange or not. If that pop-up isn't going to work it would be nice if the user could at least get a mail-tip warning them that the attachment exceeds the limit. But it doesn't look likes there's a mail-tip for attachment size, only for message size. And, I've found that the message size mail-tip only works if the limit is set on the user. It doesn't seem to work if the limit is set via a transport rule.

Has anyone else gotten Outlook to present the pop-up or a mail-tip when exceeding attachment size? Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

April 2nd, 2014 5:15pm

Hi,

Please refer to this kb below:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2813269/en-us

You can try adding the registry key MaximumAttachmentSize to check the result.

Serious problems might occur if you modify the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these steps carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify it.

As mentioned in the kb, for Exchange Accounts, it should be controlled by Hub Transport, try the steps as well.

Thanks,

Melon Chen

Forum Support

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April 3rd, 2014 2:15am

Yes, I've seen that article. Those registry keys shouldn't have any effect in an Exchange environment. I had already tried adding both of them but they had no effect.
April 3rd, 2014 6:11pm

Yes, I've seen that article. Those registry keys shouldn't have any effect in an Exchange environment. I had already tried adding both of them but they had no effect.
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April 3rd, 2014 6:11pm

Yes, I've seen that article. Those registry keys shouldn't have any effect in an Exchange environment. I had already tried adding both of them but they had no effect.
April 3rd, 2014 6:11pm

Yes, I've seen that article. Those registry keys shouldn't have any effect in an Exchange environment. I had already tried adding both of them but they had no effect.
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April 3rd, 2014 6:11pm

Hi,

How is everything now? Because the Exchange server has a cache for various settings, this change does not take effect immediately. You may have to wait several hours before this change is recognized by Outlook.

If the issue persists, please send the email on OWA, will you get any notification?

Thanks,

Melon Chen

Forum Support

April 7th, 2014 2:47am

I had tried adding those registry keys long before I submitted this issue on the forum. They have no effect. The maximum attachment limit I have set via a transport rule. In OWA I get the message "The following files weren't attached because adding them would cause the message to exceed the maximum size limit of 24.4140625 MB:". Outlook should be able to block the attachment in the same way.
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April 7th, 2014 10:45pm

Hi,

Run Outlook in Safe Mode to determine if any add-ins are interfering with Outlook:

Press Win + R and type outlook.exe /safe in the blank box, then press Enter.

If theres no problem in Safe Mode, disable the suspicious add-ins to verify which add-ins caused this issue.

We can also try creating a new profile to setup the account on a machine, does the issue persist?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/829918/en-us

Thanks,

Melon Chen

Forum Support

April 8th, 2014 1:26am

Thanks but I performed all of those trouble shooting prior to posting to the forum. But, I have found the answer!

After referring to this article;

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124345(v=exchg.150).aspx

I removed the 10mb default limits from the organization config and chose to set the attachment and message size limits in our environment via transport rules instead. That is the only way you can actually set an attachment size limit.

I had read this article several times searching for an answer;

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2813269#appliesto

The key is here;

"If you are using an Exchange Server account, the 20-MB attachment limit for Internet email accounts is not used by Outlook 2013. Instead, Outlook uses the limit that is configured on your Exchange server. To modify the setting that is used to control the size of a message that is sent through an Exchange Server account, follow these steps."

The steps that follow are for Exchange 2010 but they show setting organization limits not server limits. And note that it says the size of a message, not the size of an attachment. Since mail-tips for message size are not displayed when the limit is set via the transport rules I thought it was possible that the same inconsistency might apply to the attachment pop-up warning. I set the organization limits and voila! The pop-up now displays when an attachment that exceeds the message size limit is added to a message.

This is exactly what I wanted. Now users won't fill up their sent items trying to send large attachments that just bounce anyway.

It would be wonderful if Microsoft would provide information about what features of Outlook are affected when you apply message size limits at the various levels. 


  • Marked as answer by Boudicca0308 Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:51 PM
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April 8th, 2014 7:50pm

Thanks but I performed all of those trouble shooting prior to posting to the forum. But, I have found the answer!

After referring to this article;

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124345(v=exchg.150).aspx

I removed the 10mb default limits from the organization config and chose to set the attachment and message size limits in our environment via transport rules instead. That is the only way you can actually set an attachment size limit.

I had read this article several times searching for an answer;

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2813269#appliesto

The key is here;

"If you are using an Exchange Server account, the 20-MB attachment limit for Internet email accounts is not used by Outlook 2013. Instead, Outlook uses the limit that is configured on your Exchange server. To modify the setting that is used to control the size of a message that is sent through an Exchange Server account, follow these steps."

The steps that follow are for Exchange 2010 but they show setting organization limits not server limits. And note that it says the size of a message, not the size of an attachment. Since mail-tips for message size are not displayed when the limit is set via the transport rules I thought it was possible that the same inconsistency might apply to the attachment pop-up warning. I set the organization limits and voila! The pop-up now displays when an attachment that exceeds the message size limit is added to a message.

This is exactly what I wanted. Now users won't fill up their sent items trying to send large attachments that just bounce anyway.

It would be wonderful if Microsoft would provide information about what features of Outlook are affected when you apply message size limits at the various levels. 


  • Marked as answer by Boudicca0308 Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:51 PM
April 8th, 2014 7:50pm

I'm looking for this prompt or warning when email is to large to send. I have two users that don't get this when sending over sized emails. Out of 40 Users I have only 2 that don't get this warning. Everyone else does get this prompt when sending. The email sends without warning but is deleted at the server without warning. So I need to know why these Users are NOT getting the warning. We host but not on an Exchange server. The Users are all setup as IMAP accounts and all on Windows 7 Pro Outlook 2013.

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April 30th, 2014 12:00pm

Did you check the registry entry as discussed in this article;

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2813269/en-us

May 1st, 2014 1:27am

Yes but it doesn't apply in this situation. We have a 11mb size limit on our server and the default for Outlook is already 20mb. So the user trying to send the 14mb as an example should be getting the message from Outlook.

I did get this from the support people of the software we use.

If the sending agent (Outlook) supports this SMTP extension (ESMTP SIZE ), then MDaemon will determine the message size prior to its actual delivery and will refuse the message immediately. At this point, Outlook should have generated a delivery failure notification (using FROM address of Administrator@yourdomain.com).

If the sending agent does not support this SMTP extension then MDaemon will have to begin acceptance of the message, track its size periodically during transfer, and finally refuse to deliver the message once the transaction has completed (this may be why you are not seeing any notifications).

At any rate, the messages are refused, and MDaemon does not generate any notifications to the sender as RFC states that he sending agent is responsible for the NDRs.

So I am now trying to understand the ESMTP and if there are settings I can change to have Outlook send the message. The first paragraph above explains what is happening but they won't tell me how to fix in Outlook or if there is a fix. Any help on this would be appreciated.

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May 1st, 2014 11:33am

Any response to my above message with the screen capture attached? I'm still looking for an answer as to why Outlook doesn't notify the users that their email is to large. Any help would be appreciated.
May 5th, 2014 12:25pm

I have actually documented that most users are not getting this response when they should. Very frustrating.
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May 5th, 2014 12:26pm

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