Awsome that makes sense, THANK YOU so much - I did as described and it seams to work I am the secondary owner of the site or page, now when I try to log onto that page using my cradentials (windows logon user name / password) I get ( The server could not sign you in. Make sure your user name and password are correct, and then try again.) which makes it sound like I dont exist or I have my info wrong but when I log onto the server and fire up central admin it rcognises me in the upper right hand side of the screen (eg. Welcome Gun, Lan) so if I am secondary owner how come I cant log into the site directly?